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In article <1992Dec30.151226.23122@news2.cis.umn.edu> molenda@i1.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda) writes:
>...
>Has anyone out there tried contacting anatolia.mn.org in a _sane_
>manner (i.e. not dumping five gigabytes of crap down its throat.)?
>Could you please let me know (a) which mail address you sent the
>message to and, if you still might have the message handy, (b)
>what the text of the message was.
>
>It is tough to hold a discussion with a system administrator who
>claims complete ignorance of the entire matter.  Any help would
>be appreciated.

The system administrator of anatolia.mn.org is(was) Hasan B. Mutlu,
I have had quite a bit of correspondence with him, and none of it
approached rationality more than the Sergar posts do.

I'm the one responsible for the wierd news-only path through anatolia
to zuma, apparently; the zuma.uucp posts were being forged through
the open nntp server of ucbvax.berkeley.edu for a while (months)
at one point.  I pointed out that for some interpretations of the
news protocol's RFC, postings with no possible mail return path
were in violation of the RFC, and so could/should be blocked.
At which point the posts shifted to coming through the path
	zuma!anatolia!uunet
but that was news only, not mail.  A neat trick, all in all, and I gave
up eventually (three threats of lawsuits later, two by Hasan and one
by me that my attorney informed me really wasn't worth pursuing unless
I could prove commercial damage or severe emotional trauma, and be
willing to fly to Mutlu's hometown for trial 8-P ), no less than four
complaints to my system administrators at this machine (which led to
Mutlu's being told to bugger off... thank you, root@soda 8-), and
insane amounts of random news posts.  A short exchange with his
system administrator at his school account was most enlightening,
though I'll not repost those details out of respect for the privacy
of the people involved.  I begin to wonder if I should have
asked that the account be turned off, as the administrator
suggested might happen if I pressed a formal complaint,
but he was bothering me from anatolia mostly, so I said no.

I started out the exchange calmly and w/o any threats to Mutlu,
and he went ballistic at any implied action of any sort against
zuma or anatolia.  I have little interest in doing the whole shebang
again for no result.  Nor does my attorney.

End results:
You can't get mail to Zuma via anatolia, even if they're in the same room.
If you harrass anatolia (i.e. continue to send mail to anatolia!zuma
	or postmaster@anatolia) they'll complain, and you'll be busy.
His school wasn't happy with him, but attacking him there would be
	immoral since he's not using that account for usenet or mail
	in general any more.
An alternative solution is needed, or just ignore the problem. I am
	going to post a possible alternative solution later tonight.

-george william herbert
gwh@soda.berkeley.edu