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cudcv@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Rob McMahon) writes:

>In article <iacovou.725924649@gurney> iacovou@gurney.cs.umn.edu (Neophytos
>Iacovou) writes: 
>>  Ahmet Cosar is a graduate student at the CSci dept. of the UofMn. He
>>  operates a site by the name of anatolia.mn.org. The site anatolia.mn.org is
>>  a member of .mn.org. The domain .mn.org exists because it provides services
>>  to a number of hobbyests and small companies around the state of Minnesota.

>Who does run mn.org, then ?  Who is above anatolia in the tree ?  Who can we

The Unix Users of Minnesota.  Please see any of my previous messages in
news.admin.policy -- it explains all this in detail, I think.

>appeal to to get anatolia cut off from this supply, since it appears that not
>only the users of this system, but also the the sys admin, cannot work out how
>to be good net.citizens ?  

The people who provide MX nameservice for anatolia.mn.org (note that
the posts from ``Argic'' aren't going through any of the mn.org
systems!) are looking in to the matter, but there really isn't (IMHO)
much they can do.  Badmouthing, mail-bombing, or other actions against
UUM isn't really going to accomplish much except waste a lot of their
(personal) time.

>to be good net.citizens ?  I can understand umn gettting upset about all the
>mail bombings, 

umn (the University of Minnesota) couldn't give a rat's arse about mail
bombings to anatolia.mn.org.  It doesn't effect us at all.  The Unix
Users of Minnesota, an organization which, for $60/year, people can
join and have an MX record advertised on the Internet for their site.
Most (all?) of the mn.org sites live via UUCP.  I believe UUM is a
non-profit org, but I don't keep up with details like that too
closely.  The people who are running the news/mail are doing most
(all?) of this in their free time and aren't some Evil Clearinghouse
with the mission to provide dweebs with access to the net.

>mail bombings, but if the sys admin at the site won't respond, what other
>recourse do we have.  *Someone* must be in a position to cut off the feed.

Not necessarily.  Please read news.admin.policy if you haven't been
following it closely -- both UUNET and UUM are in a sticky position and
I don't think either will do anything.  If the justification is ``we
don't like how his site is behaving'', I don't think either
organization *should* do anything.  UUM is in the position of having
their service interrupted because of the actions of anatolia.mn.org, so
something may happen because of that, but don't hold your breath.  Cutting
this guy off could set a rather nasty precedent.

(more importantly, if mn.org drops anatolia, the Argic postings till get
through uunet).
-- 
Jason Molenda, University of Minnesota, Supercomputer Inst., Technical Support
SGI Iris Admin        molenda@jason.msi.umn.edu       DoD #1867     '77 CB750F