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In article <4l18ns$ods@news.aloha.com>, Dr. Jai Maharaj <jai@aloha.com> wrote:
>: This certainly re-affirms that the mass distribution of pre-filled
>: ballots and voting conducted at Web sites (using pre-filled forms)
>: is acceptable in the voting process for newsgroups.  If this is not
>: the case, then the creation of scij-k validates the claim that the
>: rules are made for only certain individuals.
>
>In the article <4jgvn9$jj2@minerva.worldbank.org>,
>of 29 Mar 1996 15:30:49 UTC,
>Anil Bhatnagar <ABHATNAGAR@WorldBank.Org> wrote:
>> gherbert@crl.com (George Herbert) wrote:
>>> Wanting to apply even more questionable statistical
>>> methods to Warren's filtering makes no sense.  We all saw
>>> the amount of fraud. No matter what formula is used, the
>>> existing vote base would be seen as completely worthless
>>> by the news admins around the net, and any "result"
>>> generated from it would be rejected.  If you really want
>>> the group, then help get those who abused the voting
>>> process this time to behave, and wait six months, and
>>> help make sure that the environment in October is
>>> constructive and within the Usenet guidelines rather than
>>> a free-for-all. - george william herbert <gherbert@crl.com>
>>
>> George (and others), All of you keep saying (and rightly
>> so), that 'we all saw the amount of fraud' and therefore
>> this vote is bogus. As far as the point about there being
>> 'fraud' from both sides is concerned, nobody (including the
>> proponent of the group) is denying that. I too  received a
>> pre-filled ballot and maybe the voting should be declared
>> invalid. What I (we) would like to know is this - WERE YOUR
>> EYES CLOSED TILL THE VOTE GOT OVER ? Probably not. . . .
> 
>Namaste!  I am beginning to believe that perhaps some eyes
>were indeed closed until yours truly posted definitive
>evidence of the distribution of thousands of yes-vote,
>pre-filled ballots.  See footnotes [1] and [2].
> 
>     Reports of fraud were immediately challenged by Shrisha Rao
>enforcers V. S. Pai and Gopal Ganapathiraju Sree Ramana, but
>they saw that they were not going to pull the wool over
>anyone's eyes in the face of the facts.  Their ill-conceived
>scheme had been busted wide open.  Now, please this message:
>Here is a copy of a message I sent to a person who has some
>questions about the Kashmir newsgroup vote (footnotes follow
>this letter):
> 
>*--- Copy of Message -----------------------------------------*
>: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:23:05 -1000
>: From: jai@mantra.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
>: To: x x x x x x x
>: Cc: jai@eskimo.com
>: Subject: Re: Namaste
>:
>: On Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:34:55 -0800,
>: in message <9603291934.AA20183@yogi.informix.com>,
>: prasg@informix.com (Prasanna G. Basavapatna) wrote:
>:> namaste Jai-ji,
>:
>: Namaskar, x x x x x ji!
>:
>:> . . . I gathered from the list of votes posted by Warren
>:> that you had voted NO. To be honest, I was surprised. 
>:
>: Perhaps you did not participate in the discussions a few
>: months ago when Shrisha Rao posted the RFD in the newsgroup
>: named news.groups -- I was against the proposal then,
>: anticipating fraud on the part of Shrisha Rao and his gang.
>: Sure enough, thousands of pre-filled ballots were
>: distributed.
>:
>:> Well, that is your personal choice. But, I am even more
>:> surprised to see that you are supporting Warren on his
>:> illogical act of invalidating 99.4% of votes.
>:
>: I am opposing the massive fraud that was perpetrated.
>: Kashmir always has, and always should belong in Bharat.
>: However, the use of fraud and deceipt to make that
>: assertion is counter- productive.  I support truth and
>: honesty, x x x x x ji, as I am certain you do.
>:
>:> Like me many people have a lot of net-respect for you for
>:> your pro-hindu pro-hinduism views. But, we cannot fit in
>:> the present stand you have taken regarding scij-k voting.
>:> Don't you think it is an outright fraud to rule like this.
>:
>: I did not even consider or pay much attention to the vote-
>: counting or sampling process because I do not think there
>: is any need for me to do so.  Fraud occurred before the
>: votes reached the vote-taker, from what I have observed.
>: So, I saw the process diseased from the start.  I saw it
>: that way when the proponent proposed the idea in December,
>: 1995.
>:
>:> If I may say so, I do understand the difference of opinion
>:> between you and Shrisha Rao, Vivek Pai and others. 
>:
>: No problem, please feel free to discuss whatever you wish.
>:
>:> I am no big fan of them either. But, here let us try to
>:> focus on the illogical nature of the procedure Warren
>:> adopted at the very end of voting. That is what I care
>:> about. If he had done justice to counting, I would have
>:> gladly accepted the result whatever that would have been.
>:> Hope you follow me.
>:
>: I cannot see any vote-taker trying to "do justice" after
>: fraudulent votes have reached him or her.  When the
>: balloting is flawed, the vote-counting is flawed
>: automatically.  The entire process is flawed from the
>: beginning.  I would not feel right about participating in
>: an illegally-created forum and urge others to consider this
>: resolve as it may apply to them.
>:
>: If you have evidence of pre-filled ballots for a NO-vote
>: campaign, kindly share it with me and I will immediately
>: expose it on the Net as I have done with the YES-vote,
>: pre-filled ballot distribution.
>:
>: Dhanyavaad for your message, thoughts and concerns.
>:
>: Jai Maharaj <jai@mantra.com> <jai@eskimo.com>
>: %:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:% Om Shanti %:%:%
>*--- End of Copy of Message ----------------------------------*
> 
>Footnotes:
> 
>=== Footnote [1] ==============================================
>:
>: In the article <rM1UxQ9zBwmb089yn@mantra.com>,
>: of Sat, 23 Mar 1996 01:26:03 UTC,
>: jai@mantra.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>:> No part of Jammu and Kashmir should ever be part of any land
>:> except Bharat.  But it is embarrassing to have
>:> false-Vaishnava fanatics such as Shrisha Rao and V. S. Pai to
>:> have anything to do with matters related to Bharat and
>:> Kashmir.
>:>
>:> A campaign of pre-filled ballots was expected from Shrisha
>:> Rao
>:> and company.  Sure enough, I received more than one copy of
>:> the following pre-filled ballot:
>:>
>:> (Re-formatted to narrower width to improve display with
>:> proportional fonts used by Web browsers, etc.)
>:>
>:> --- Pre-Filled Ballot Received for scij-k YES Vote ---------
>:>
>:> [Interested parties may request the complete "Path:" fields]
>:>
>:> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 19:03:29 -0500
>:> Message-Id: <199603170003.TAA76074@acs5.bu.edu>
>:> From: "Worldwide Indian Network" <win@neu.edu>
>:> Subject: soc.culture.indian.jammu-kashmir
>:> Apparently-To: jai@mantra.com
>:>
>:> I hope you are well aware about the proposal of new usenet
>:> news group 'soc.culture.indian.jammu -kashmir' which will
>:> cater to Kashmir and the Kashmiri people.  (Ref: IDD dated
>:> 8th and 9th March).
>:>
>:> There are objections from Pakistanies all over the world.
>:> They are opposing because it comes under the hierarchy
>:> 'indian'.
>:>
>:> Now the fate of this new site is left to voting.
>:>
>:> Pakistanies are canvassing to vote against this proposal.
>:> We should not allow them to defeat this proposal.  This is
>:> a great opportunity to show our patriotism by voting in
>:> favour of this proposal.  Registering your vote is very
>:> simple, provided you have access to internet.
>:>
>:> How to vote
>:> -----------
>:> Send an e-mail to 'voting@syra.net', leave the subject line
>:> blank and in the body write
>:>
>:> I vote YES on soc.culture.indian.jammu-kashmir
>:>
>:> <Your name>
>:>
>:> That's it.
>:>
>:> You will receive an acknowledgement of your vote.
>:>
>:> We would appreciate if you could send this message to all 
>:> your friends and acquaintances.
>:>
>:> Jai Hind!
>:>
>:> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>:>
>:> P.S. If you receive duplicate copies of this file, please
>:> let us know.
>:>
>:> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
>:
>===============================================================
> 
>=== Footnote [2] ==============================================
>:
>: Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,
>:  alt.fan.jai-maharaj,news.groups,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
>: Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 07:32:16 -1000
>: From: jai@mantra.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
>: Subject: Re: Pre-Filled Ballots Received for scij-k Vote
>:
>: The India Discussion Digest is probably the most popular
>: mail-list used by us, the people of south Asian origin.
>:
>: It is the brainchild of Dr. K. V. Rao under whose guidance
>: and coordination the digest and related E-Mail products
>: reach thousands of subscribers each day.
>:
>: India-D and related lists provide an extremely valuable
>: service to all of us.
>:
>: India-D's editor can be reached at:
>:  India-D Editor <editor@indnet.bgsu.edu>
>: The Digest's Web URL is: http://india.bgsu.edu/index.html
>: where old issues of the digest can be found.
>:
>: The March 8, 1996 edition of the India Discussion Digest,
>: Volume 2, Issue 1024, circulated the following pre-filled
>: ballot for the scij-k vote:
>:
>: --- Pre-Filled Ballot in India-D for scij-k YES Vote --------
>:>
>:> (Excerpt)
>:>
>:> India Discussion Digest 
>:> Fri, 8 Mar 96
>:: Volume 2 : Issue 1024
>:>
>:> Today's Topics:
>:>  [...]
>:> Politics::
>:>  [...]
>:> Reg. Kashmir Newsgroup
>:>  [...]
>:> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:22:48 EST5EDT
>:> From: "Pamesh Gupta" <GUPTAPP@MGMTSTD1.Lan.McGill.CA>
>:> Subject: Reg. Kashmir Newsgroup
>:>
>:> Dear Netters:
>:>
>:> By voting *yes* to the creation of soc.culture.indian.jammu
>:> -kashmir you will send a strong signal to the proponents
>:> of terrorism and militancy both in Kashmir as well as on
>:> the internet that this State (as a whole) is an integral
>:> part of India.  Dispite the ensuing dialogue on this newly
>:> formed newsgroup, what is for certain is that passage of
>:> this newsgroup challenges and defeats the designs of those
>:> anti-India netters who want nothing less than to see the
>:> eventual disintegration of our country.  This, you and I,
>:> know will never happen, but we all must remain vigilent to
>:> this threat.
>:>
>:> So stand up for India and be counted, forward this message
>:> to any of your friends who feel the same as you do about
>:> defending our country.
>:>
>:> The procedure for voting for the creation of
>:> soc.culture.indian.jammu-kashmir is very simple and will
>:> take only 2 minutes of your precious time.
>:>
>:> Send E-Mail to:   voting@Syra.NET
>:>
>:> Your e-mail message should contain  the following
>:> statement as it is:
>:>
>:> I vote YES on soc.culture.indian.jammu-kashmir
>:>
>:> Thanks.
>:> Pamesh Gupta
>:>
>:> ------------------------------
>:> (End of Excerpt)
>:
>: =============================================================
> 
> Jai Maharaj <jai@mantra.com>
>%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:% Om Shanti %:%:%
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