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In article <WISNER.89Jun12135437@anableps.berkeley.edu> wisner@mica.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Wisner) writes:
does an exceptionallygood job of being exceptionally obnoxious:
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>ClariNet is a vehicle for the distribution of various news services. It is
>not USENET. It is not "UUCPnet". It will not be moving around mail, or
>USENET articles. It moves around news. That's all. It will use USENET software,
>and some of its customers are sure to be existing USENET sites. But it is
>seperate. Got it?

Is it?  Gee - - "separate"?  Does that mean that all data will go from a 
central hub to the subscriber system? Does that include mail? Will there 
be a machine that links Clarinet to usenet? How are the pathing problems
going to be solved?

If all Clarinet is doing is sending to other systems, without any intervention
into USENET by way of mail paths OF ANY KIND then it is separate. But that 
still does not solve the offense posited here to which I and others have
responded. Nor, regardless of 
your claims, and Clarinet has not seen fit to respond (and since you
apparently have no authority to speak for them your speculation does not
allay my concerns) I doubt very much that Clarinet can control the forwarding
of the materials via USENET by subscribers and that WILL CREATE ADDITIONAL
traffic. I have no problem with independent networks but frankly this does
not sound all that independent to me.>

>>That should be an interesting contract to read - internationally binding
>>and sufficent to be lawful in all jurisdictions that USENET touches. 
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>Brad pointed out to me that he won't really need a contract to make
>redistribution of a ClariNet feed illegal, as the newswires carried by
>ClariNet are already copyrighted by their originators (UPI, etc).
>Copyrights are internationally binding, no?


Actually, the correct answer is "NO" - they are only binding in certain 
country's and usually only by the terms of a treaty, i.e., that why we 
have piracy from overseas. Obviously you are not a lawyer!
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>Are you a lawyer, Mr Petersen? 

Yup.

>If so that could explain much.

Yup - whats you excuse?
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>>To take
>>my telephone time and expense for the BUSINESS VENTURE is unconscionable in
>>my opinion. While I may handle mail and even news for others I certainly do
>>not do so in order to support another BUSINESS VENTURE.
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>Wake up! Take a strong stimulant and re-read Brad's announcement very, very
>carefully. Your telephone time and expense will never be used to move ClariNet
>traffic around. You, in fact, WILL NEVER SEE CLARINET, unless you pay for it.
>Or break the law. The only machines that receive -- and transmit -- ClariNet
>will be ClariNet's customers.

Are you sure? Are you Brad or Clarinet, or a stalking horse for them? Your
promise is wholly unenforceable and disingenious at best. Having had 2 strong
cups of coffee (which is all the stimulation I can handle when reading such
blithe promises) I have reread the article. Yes, it is not as laughable as
the In Moderation concept, but that the amount of data that you say will never
cross my system (or any other non subscribers system) leads me to believe
that you are a very naive person.

Simply put the commentary that others have posted is appropriate when one
considers human nature. Money talks a different language to different people.
If you seriously believe that no one on the net is going to forward this
"product" to others on the net you have no understanding of human nature. NO
ONE WILL ADMIT IT but it will certainly happen. The question is HOW MUCH will
happen?  I certainly do not see you or anyone else being the "NET - POLICE"
or having anyway of investigating this problem, much less solving it. On the
other hand if you, as an apparent alter ego for Brad and/or Clarinet, have
solved the "NET-POLICE" problem please let us all know since I am sure
we are all curious about this solution.-- 
Gregory G. Petersen, Esq.                  greg@lawnet.LawNet.Com
Petersen & Trott, A Law Corporation            (714) 971-1441  
770 The City Drive South, Suite 2100
Orange, California 92668