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Re: mail and news in Europe

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From: Brad Allen
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1989 11:54
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In article <573@axis.fr> philip@axis.fr (Philip Peake) writes:
> > Internet, will NNTP help bring down the costs of getting news into Europe?
> Tell me how the telecoms system knows the difference between bits transfered
> via UUCP and those transfered by NNTP ?

Ahh, this answers my same question too!
In North America, the Internet connections have almost always been
dedicated links, often satellites, often terrestial leased lines.

I guess the diversity of carriers in USA makes things significantly easier.
Right now most Internet traffic goes over the NSFNET, which to my
surprise is a whole bunch of dynamically linked T1's via MCI communications!
I would have never thought that MCI, a phone company, would be
involved with this.

After 20 years of ARPAnet connections, I think we just forget or
don't realize that for whomever pays the bills, many of them down the line
are paid to various phone companies and such:  the links have always
been there (for longer than I've been alive anyway), and certainly
they are not going to disappear overnight.

For us, Internet use is free ...
I think someone, yeah, well, the taxpayers, which logically is me
and a whole bunch of other people -- they pay for it ...
I don't!  Well, not directly.

Hey, what's wrong with all you European countries, that you don't have
humungus deficits of a coupla terrabucks, so you can do this networking
stuff for free?  God are you technologically behind!!!


(Yesterday I called BARRNET, he said
$12000/yr corp, $4000/yr nonprofit; $20000@56kbit or $26500@T1 install.
He estimated for me that paying to the phone company for a line
would be something like $500-600/month for me.
Gee!  Money's involved!  I hadn't thought of that.)
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From: ulmo@ssyx.ucsc.edu (Brad Allen)
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Subject: Re: mail and news in Europe
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Date: 29 Jun 89 11:54:41 GMT
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