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In article <225@mind.UUCP> harnad@mind.UUCP (Stevan Harnad) writes:

-> Someone using the following name, userid and institution
-> 	"rathmann@brahms.berkeley.EDU (Really Michael Ellis)
->  	 Organization: 2-3:30PM, tuesdays and thursdays"
-> wrote to sci.lang:
-> 
-> >    you have shit-for-brains... This is all horse manure...
-> >    you are blowing your hot air out the wrong orifice...
-> >    Paperboy wanted to handle Fecal Heights and surrounding vicinity...
-> >    get her ass up here... don't waste your foul breath telling me...
-> >    male chauvinist pricks... but THEY sure as hell left THEIR crap all
-> >    over the place... go shove where the sun doesn't shine... Utter crap.
-> 
-> I find it astonishing that such an obviously disturbed individual has
-> access to an account at brahms.berkeley.EDU, let alone the news net.
-> If the net is to evolve into the respectable forum many of us hope it
-> will become, there must be a way of blocking this sort of misuse. Not
-> all groups can be moderated, but the unmoderated ones should still
-> ensure that serious consequences overtake this sort of abuse.

The language you cite is a bit groady, but I just wanted you and
others to know what we all do not agree; I consider the language
you quote to be strongly worded, but I don't think that this sort
of language should be forbidden from the network.  It has its place
in human speech.  (If I were on that machine, I'd
ask the person why they used such language anyway).

->                                                 A copy of this
-> will be sent to the system administrator at berkeley.EDU.

Whatever my feelings are, this is exactly what you should do to protest
a posting that you think should be discouraged from the net.  The
system adminstrator at brahms.berkeley.EDU is in the most powerful
position regarding who is permitted to use Usenet there, and that is
where the authority should lie.  He who runs the machine, runs Usenet,
as far as each site is concerned.

-> I hope
-> other net news users will also bring some collective pressure to bear
-> on this sort of behavior.

It is not unreasonable to appeal to the opinions of others to get
support for what you feel is right.
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Subject: Re: Abuses of the net
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Date: Wed Nov 19 23:18:53 PST 1986
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In article <225@mind.UUCP> harnad@mind.UUCP (Stevan Harnad) writes:

-> Someone using the following name, userid and institution
-> 	"rathmann@brahms.berkeley.EDU (Really Michael Ellis)
->  	 Organization: 2-3:30PM, tuesdays and thursdays"
-> wrote to sci.lang:
-> 
-> >    you have shit-for-brains... This is all horse manure...
-> >    you are blowing your hot air out the wrong orifice...
-> >    Paperboy wanted to handle Fecal Heights and surrounding vicinity...
-> >    get her ass up here... don't waste your foul breath telling me...
-> >    male chauvinist pricks... but THEY sure as hell left THEIR crap all
-> >    over the place... go shove where the sun doesn't shine... Utter crap.
-> 
-> I find it astonishing that such an obviously disturbed individual has
-> access to an account at brahms.berkeley.EDU, let alone the news net.

The language is rather extreme, but I wouldn't go so far as to suggest
the writer were mentally ill, nor do I (yet) question their right
to use the net.  No matter, what *I* think or you think doesn't matter
anything so much as what the System Administrator there says.  

-> If the net is to evolve into the respectable forum many of us hope it
-> will become, there must be a way of blocking this sort of misuse.

Yes, there is:  in the worst possible case, you can stop accepting or
forwarding news for brahms.berkeley.EDU, and other site whose users
offend you and their administrator does not control it.  Those who
tolerate it will continue to receive and distribute it.

->                                                      A copy of this
-> will be sent to the system administrator at berkeley.EDU. I hope
-> other net news users will also bring some collective pressure to bear
-> on this sort of behavior.

Whatever my opinion, I think this is the right way to call on it:
tell the sys. admin. what's going on, and ask them to control it.
But be prepared that the sys. admin. may choose not to control it.
-- 
Gordon A. Moffett                             {whatever}!amdahl!gam

 ~ And each day I learn just a little bit more ~
 ~ I don't know why but I do know what for... ~
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