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In article <76rm1i$2lm$1@agate.berkeley.edu>, 
turin@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU says...
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Microsoft tells me to "go and play with my computer" !!
> what the hell kind of contact and respect is that?
> 
> Someone from microsoft (boy I wish he told me his name)
> calls me and asks for to verify my information because
> I am listed as the contact person for my company.
> I was not aware that I was listed as a contact person for
> my company, and asked the person for what reason/agreement
> am I listed as a contact person for. He just stated there
> is no agreeement. I enquired somemore and stated my 
> concern that I think the information may be incorrect
> or they have the wrong contact person because I knew
> my company did have a Solutions Providers agreement with
> Microsoft, but I didn't think I should be the contact person
> for this. He stated that emails would be sent to me and
> needed to verify my information. I stated again my concern
> about me might not being the right contact person. He said
> he would just delete me then as the contact person. 
> I stated that it would not be a good idea to not have
> any contact person and would be irresponsible to just delete
> it. So again I asked what kind of service/agreement was the
> Contact Person for so I can find out more informatino from
> my company. Then he just tells me to 
> 
> "go and play with my computer" and hangs up.
> 
> Whatever.. what kind of people does microsoft hire to represent them?
> that really pissed me off.
> 
> jimmy reza
> 

You did the right thing by not giving any information.  No way that was 
Microsoft!

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Microsoft or IBM they are all the same.
I had troubles communicating with them at several and different occasions,
and they are only guided by greed.
Any question, (even the time of day) and they say they will have to charge
you!
(I'm kidding about the time of day) but it could well be the same.
I am so disgusted with them both, ( with plenty of reasons) that I decided
to stay away from them.
They are playing ball, in the sense, one will tell you it's a software
problem, and the other will tell you it's an hardware problem.
Next time, I'll buy anything but IBM, and try to stay away from Microsoft!
Fed up!
John.-

In article <771d8u$n1f$1@corolla.OntheNet.com.au>, "Jean Pierre de
Hauteclocque" <cousin@iname.com> wrote:

> Next time, I'll buy anything but IBM, and try to stay away from Microsoft!
> Fed up!

One word: Macintosh. :-)

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Ed Reppert
Rochester, NY, USA

Ed Reppert wrote:
> 
> One word: Macintosh. :-)

How many of you purchased the Mac XL (Here's a way to unload these
Lisas we can't sell) POS that Apple flogged as being Mac compatible?

Ever since Apple foisted off those two Max XL's on my aunts business
with the promise that they would run all Mac SW I've steered clear of 
their products. SGI has been an excellent alternative for prepress and 
graphics.

They pulled the same thing with a number of fairly large corporate
accounts in Atlanta and I suspect that the memory lingers in some
of the fortune 500 that call Atlanta home. Now that Jobs is pushing
corporate use, again, it will be interesting to see if that memory
comes back and bites him in the Apple.

On the BG Windoze front. What is so complicated with this antitrust 
business? The real issue is that consumers have been forced to purchase
Windoze for years as a result of agreements between PEECEE manufacturers
and MS. How many of you paid for a PEECEE with Windoze because the
vendor would not remove it. Was this Windoze you had to take free?
Alternative OS vendors are screwed from the get go when the OS and the
hardware are bundled. There is no competition when there is no market
and with the majority of PEECEE consumers there is no need to even 
consider another OS when something that kinda sorta works comes 'free'
with their hardware. A can of worms waiting to be opened is the degree
to which PEECEE manufacturers participated in the Windoze scam by 
jumping on the only train to Oz. If the Windoze they shipped was free
of cost to them where does that place them in scheme? Partners?

-bob

Topical material follows.

WTS:

Linus workstation.
Compaq XE466 (486-66)
24meg
1.3gig
1meg video expandable to 2meg
14" Compaq SVGA
Keyboard
Mouse
No NIC, you will have to add NIC of your choice.
3 x 16bit ISA slots.
5.25" bay for adding CDROM or ???
3.5" floppy drive

$245 with RedHat 5.2 dist loaded.
$195 without (buy it at the bookstore an load yourself)
Will also run other OS's but performance/dollar is
best with Linux.

Sorry, wrong answer. The right answer is Sun.

Tom Roehr
troehr@interactive.net

In article <ereppert-0701990418190001@d185d10e9.rochester.rr.com>,
  ereppert@rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) wrote:
> In article <771d8u$n1f$1@corolla.OntheNet.com.au>, "Jean Pierre de
> Hauteclocque" <cousin@iname.com> wrote:
>
> > Next time, I'll buy anything but IBM, and try to stay away from Microsoft!
> > Fed up!
>
> One word: Macintosh. :-)
>
> --
> Ed Reppert
> Rochester, NY, USA
>

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In article <36949500.794B@atl.org>, bob@atl.org wrote:

> Ever since Apple foisted off those two Max XL's on my aunts business
> with the promise that they would run all Mac SW I've steered clear of 
> their products.

Then you've done yourself a disservice. Apple has made mistakes. The "Mac
XL" was perhaps one of them. BTW, I bought a Lisa - as a platform (the
only one then available) on which to do Mac development. When the Mac Plus
came out, I sold the Lisa/XL and bought a Mac Plus. I'm now on my 6th or
7th Mac, and my biggest objection to it is that I can't run MacOS and
MKLinux simultaneously on the same box. ;-)


>SGI has been an excellent alternative for prepress and graphics.

But a bit more expensive than Macs, ain't it?

I don't want to get in a flamewar over which system is better - IMO that's
a personal decision, and if you choose SGI, or some other hardware, or
some flavor of Unix/Linux, or some other OS, that's fine with me. You
should do what works for you. Mac works for me, that's all. :-)

-- 
Ed Reppert
Rochester, NY, USA

On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 11:05:36 +0000, BOB DUCKWORTH <bob@atl.org> wrote:

>Ed Reppert wrote:
......
>On the BG Windoze front. What is so complicated with this antitrust 
>business? The real issue is that consumers have been forced to purchase
>Windoze for years as a result of agreements between PEECEE manufacturers
>and MS. How many of you paid for a PEECEE with Windoze because the
>vendor would not remove it. Was this Windoze you had to take free?
>Alternative OS vendors are screwed from the get go when the OS and the
>hardware are bundled. There is no competition when there is no market
>and with the majority of PEECEE consumers there is no need to even 
>consider another OS when something that kinda sorta works comes 'free'
>with their hardware. A can of worms waiting to be opened is the degree
>to which PEECEE manufacturers participated in the Windoze scam by 
>jumping on the only train to Oz. If the Windoze they shipped was free
>of cost to them where does that place them in scheme? Partners?
>
>-bob
>
>Topical material follows.

 Bob and any other concerned parties:

	I used to work for a PC manufacturer in a previous life. As
part of the bundle the systems were sold with Windows. Talking to the 
product manager at the time, I asked about bundling either OS/2 or 
Unix with some of the machines. He stated that the licensing agreement
with Microsoft required royalties on every PC that left the shipping
dock, whether it was loaded or not, or even included in the box. In
return, the Windows licensing fee was extremely low. This was the
situation that lead to the first court case between the DOJ and
Microsoft, and the consent decree was a result of that case. Whether
Microsoft is doing something illegal right now is the subject of the
current court case. I do know that the licensing fees for subsequent
versions of Windows have increased substantially.

						Kostas

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Way back in the year of '81, on Thu, 07 Jan 1999 16:22:28 -0500, Ed Reppert said Re: microsoft tells me to "go and play with my computer" to someone the land of news.software.readers...
>In article <772uae$7r6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, troehr@interactive.net wrote:
>
>> Sorry, wrong answer. The right answer is Sun.
>
>Like I said, you swing your way, and I'll swing mine. No flame wars here. :-)

Damn, I was gonna flame someone for not using a TRS-80!! :)

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In article <772uae$7r6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, troehr@interactive.net wrote:

> Sorry, wrong answer. The right answer is Sun.

Like I said, you swing your way, and I'll swing mine. No flame wars here. :-)

-- 
Ed Reppert
Rochester, NY, USA

Hey, I had a commodore 64 back in the day ;)

In fact, if I had the choice of a commodore 64 or something running
windows 98, i'd actually stop and think about it. ;P


In article <36966438.278862563@news.senet.com.au>, Steven Q wrote:
>On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 18:27:30 GMT, troehr@interactive.net wrote:
>
>>Sorry, wrong answer. The right answer is Sun.
>
>I Strongly disagree, I think the COMMODORE 64 is a much better
>choice...
>
>Steve
>
>


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On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 11:05:36 +0000, BOB DUCKWORTH <bob@atl.org> wrote:
>On the BG Windoze front. What is so complicated with this antitrust 
>business? The real issue is that consumers have been forced to purchase
>Windoze for years as a result of agreements between PEECEE manufacturers
>and MS. How many of you paid for a PEECEE with Windoze because the
>vendor would not remove it.

Sorry, but this thread is way off topic.

Obviously, the anti-trust arguments are sufficiently complex to confuse most
people.  Nobody is *forced* to use Microsoft, even if your PC dealer soiled
the hard disk of your new computer with Mocrosoft's products.

The *only* issue these days (there was some confusion in the past)
concerning anti-trust regulations is competition.  Specifically, through
it's actions, has Microsoft compromised competition and so caused software
prices for the consumer to increase, and is there a potential for Microsoft
to exploit its market position in the future to reduce competition?

On one front, it is obvious; Microsoft has been steadily eliminating its
competition.  On another front, it is not at all so obvious; nobody can claim
that Microsoft's basic operating software is too expensive, especially if
you get to for free when you buy your computer.

The issue is a thorny one for lawyers and economists alike.  It is hardly
understood at all by computer experts.  (For a start, the issue is not
monopoly, and not market dominance.)

Cheers,
Mike Dowling
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On 8 Jan 1999 10:06:22 GMT, Mike Dowling
<mike7@MooCow.math.nat.tu-bs.de> posted: 
>On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 11:05:36 +0000, BOB DUCKWORTH <bob@atl.org> wrote:
>On one front, it is obvious; Microsoft has been steadily eliminating its
>competition.  On another front, it is not at all so obvious; nobody can claim
>that Microsoft's basic operating software is too expensive, especially if
>you get to for free when you buy your computer.

The latter is not nearly so clear as computer prices have been, as it
were, falling through the floor.  There are now $500 PCs, and we
haven't seen that since the 8 bit days.

There is the *appearance* that you "get it for free" when you buy a
computer; it should be manifestly obvious that the vendors have got to
be paying MSFT *something* for the privilege of including W95/NT in a
computer "bundle."  The "revolt" may occur as the MSFT portion of the
sale price starts to rise as the total price falls...

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On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 18:27:30 GMT, troehr@interactive.net wrote:

>Sorry, wrong answer. The right answer is Sun.

I Strongly disagree, I think the COMMODORE 64 is a much better
choice...

Steve

Ed Reppert wrote:
> 
> In article <771d8u$n1f$1@corolla.OntheNet.com.au>, "Jean Pierre de
> Hauteclocque" <cousin@iname.com> wrote:
> 
> > Next time, I'll buy anything but IBM, and try to stay away from Microsoft!
> > Fed up!
> 
> One word: Macintosh. :-)
> 
> --
> Ed Reppert
> Rochester, NY, USA

But m$ now own 1/2 (or whatever, probably all, in practice, if not in
name) of Apple...

How about Amiga, gone the way of Beta VCR's I guess, a better system
pushed out of use....

Quentin.
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In article <77390i$fls$1@usenet49.supernews.com>,
  dontmailme@iwontmailyou.com (Solitary Ash) wrote:
> Way back in the year of '81, on Thu, 07 Jan 1999 16:22:28 -0500, Ed Reppert
said Re: microsoft tells me to "go and play with my computer" to someone the
land of news.software.readers...
> >In article <772uae$7r6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, troehr@interactive.net wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry, wrong answer. The right answer is Sun.
> >
> >Like I said, you swing your way, and I'll swing mine. No flame wars here. :-)
>
> Damn, I was gonna flame someone for not using a TRS-80!! :)
>

I could go into the virtures of the Byte 8 S-100 Bus system that was my first
computer... :)

Tom Roehr
troehr@interactive.net

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Mike Dowling <mike7@MooCow.math.nat.tu-bs.de> wrote:

> Obviously, the anti-trust arguments are sufficiently complex to confuse most
> people.  Nobody is *forced* to use Microsoft, even if your PC dealer soiled
> the hard disk of your new computer with Mocrosoft's products.

Not forced to *use* it, but forced to *pay* for it.

> On another front, it is not at all so obvious; nobody can claim
> that Microsoft's basic operating software is too expensive, especially if
> you get to for free when you buy your computer.

Who says you get it for free? Do you think the retailers don't give 
anything to Microsoft? (If they didn't a lot of us would be running 
unlicensed software.) Do you think they don't pass that cost onto 
consumers?

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In <slrn79bm4u.3ns.mike7@MooCow.math.nat.tu-bs.de>, on 01/08/1999
   at 10:06 AM, mike7@MooCow.math.nat.tu-bs.de (Mike Dowling) said:

>Obviously, the anti-trust arguments are sufficiently complex to
>confuse most people.  Nobody is *forced* to use Microsoft, even if
>your PC dealer soiled the hard disk of your new computer with
>Mocrosoft's products.

However, they are charged for the micro$oft products whether they use
them or not. This is precisely what micro$oft agreed not to do whne
they signed the consent decree with Ann Bingamon.

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On one front, it is obvious; Microsoft has been steadily eliminating its
competition.  On another front, it is not at all so obvious; nobody can
claim
that Microsoft's basic operating software is too expensive, especially if
you get to for free when you buy your computer.


Sorrry, but NOTHING is FREE where IBM or Microsoft are concerned.
What seems like  a (free) gift when you buy yourself a computer, is in fact
being paid many times over when making the purchase.
John.-

On Fri, 08 Jan 1999 04:57:00 GMT, entropy@midworld.cmoo.com (Sean
Maguire) wrote:

>Hey, I had a commodore 64 back in the day ;)
>
>In fact, if I had the choice of a commodore 64 or something running
>windows 98, i'd actually stop and think about it. ;P

I know the feeling Sean...  I did my apprenticeship with Commodore as
a Technician in the days of the PET before the 64.  I remember the
excitement when we got the Prototype (of the 64) to play with back in
the early 80's....  Man, those were the days.... You really had to
know your stuff in those days to be an expert...  not like these days
where anyone who installs a video card and the software, upgrades
themselves to Technician Status... Scary isn't it ?

I guess I'd better shut up now, I feel like an old timer going on
about the "good ol' days"...

Steve

In article <ereppert-0701990418190001@d185d10e9.rochester.rr.com>, ereppert@rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) writes:
|> In article <771d8u$n1f$1@corolla.OntheNet.com.au>, "Jean Pierre de
|> Hauteclocque" <cousin@iname.com> wrote:
|> 
|> > Next time, I'll buy anything but IBM, and try to stay away from Microsoft!
|> > Fed up!
|> 
|> One word: Macintosh. :-)

Some more words:

Sun. Zilog. Apple ][.

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