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In la.general Joseph E. Taranta <nospam_jtaran@ibm.net> wrote:
: Sandy Lemons wrote:
: > If you insist on a dress code for children..also insist on one for
: > teachers as well.
: Most places I know of the teachers have to adhere to a "dress code".
: With that said. Why should they?

You have won. When teachers wear uniforms, students can too. When teachers
have to adhear to a "dress code", students will too. If a teacher fails to
follow they will be docked pay, and after three occurances, they will be
suspended without pay for a week, and the studens will be put in detention
for an hour for their first three, and then suspended for a week.

: There are teenagers out there that are shooting each other in the face over
: a pair of tennis shoes.

MAKE THEM ALL GO TO SCHOOL IN BARE FEET!

[the other option is to take their guns away and try them as adults, but
why adress the real problem, attack the shoes!]

: There are teenagers that are committing suicide
: because they feel inadequate to others.

Sound like they have personal problems. If they start to  kill themselves
over grades should we also stop issuing low grades to them so they won't
feel inadequate? 

: Many parents could care less about what is going on in their kids lives or
: some are completely over indulged and have no sense of humility or humanity.

That is the parents problem. Darwinism will take care of their kids. You
seem to think that a parents inability to parent should somehow
necessitate an abridgement on my, or my childs, rights. If they are
screwups, and they create screwed up kids, well screw them. I spend my
life making decisions and part of my decision making process is focused (a
large part of it) on my involvment with my kid. I refuse to give my rights
and responsibilities to the state because some dink has their priorities
screwed up.

: That is reality ...

You wnt to give your rights up to the state, that's your choice. That's
your reality. They will have to fight like hell to take any of mine away.

: If nothing else uniforms give a sense of belonging and put every one on even
: ground.

My daughter "belongs" to my family. She doesn't "belong" to anyone else.
She is not school property. She is not state property. She is my
responsibility. She is not on even ground. She is the best of the best. I
know. I teach her in my spare time. I work with her to help her excell at
what she want to be the best at. I reward her for trying. She is not the
"norm" she is well above it! If you want to bring your kid down to some
level of "norm", then that is your choice. My daughter will alway be in
the top 10 percentile and I won't let you, or the state, or anyone else,
make me fit her into the center of your bell curve.

: I am not saying that it is a good idea for every community.
: It is very much so for communities where drugs, violence and gang activity
: is prevalent or for communities where the students come from varying
: socio-economic conditions.

Joe, once you start to let the state take your freedoms, once you
subscribe to the state defining what is and isn't acceptable, then you
have shirked your responsibility. The state is not a parent. It can not
love. It doesn't care. It strives for mediocracy. Be "avergae" is good
enough for the state.

Your excuses for allowing the state to define "uniforms" as an acceptable
policy are actually valid (based on studies) for schools where gang
colours are worn. But to base it on socio-economics is an injustice to
every parent as the state can define any difference as great enough to
establish your proposed standard.

jmi