🚀 go-pugleaf

shirkahn@earthlink.net (ShirKahn) wrote:

>!!!bmyers@ionet.net (TarlaStar) wrote:
>>
>>I've been realllllly good, but there is some shit I cannot eat....and
>>this is it. FUCK YOU, PINKBOY. You deserve the life you've gotten. You
>>deserve to get absolutely NO HEAD or better yet, bitten! 

><snip>


>Tarla, unless your purpose is simply to vent, tantrums like this one
>don't do much in furtherance of intelligent discourse.

Of course my purpose was to vent. You don't actually think that
someone like that THINKS, do you?

>As for a dress code in the public schools I for one would like to see
>it. I try to consider myself open minded. Hell, I even give *almost*
>every one of Demming's posts reasonable consideration (more than 4
>Bible quotes I skip it) but  I believe that things have gone too far
>in many of our classrooms.  I don't know if any one cause can be
>pinpointed and blame attached but I do feel that things are going to
>have to start changing and quickly if today's youth (and at this rate,
>tomorrows organ donors) are to have a reasonable expectation of
>success. 

What is success? Working 50 hours a week so you can get more STUFF?
The admiration of other stiffs who live that kind of lifestyle? Shit,
if that's success, I'm dressing my kid in the baggiest damned clothes
I can find.

>Now before you go off on me about clothes not being an accurate
>measure, look at it from my point of view. For years, I have done
>hiring for the finer restaurants in Tulsa.  A girl with 12 piercings
>in one ear and a barbell in her tongue is not going to get a job from
>me because her appearance would cause my customers to balk.

Why? Because you assume that they are closed-minded? Just because
she's pierced doesn't mean she's not an excellent waitress with superb
people skills.

>  A young
>man dressed in a manner generally associated with gangs is not going
>to get hired because who are his friends going to be that come to
>"hang" until he gets off work?

Why would you assume that ANY of his friends are going to hang until
he gets off work? And if they did, doesn't their money spend as well
as the bluehairs in Channel suits?

> Are they going to
>scare/intimidate/irritate my high paying customers?  I don't know and
>never will simply because I'm not going to take the chance. Wouldn't
>that be a real shame if the applicant was intelligent and would have
>done a good job for me but for the sake of fashion or "expressing his
>individuality" he didn't get the job? Nobody wins.

I disagree. The person who doesn't get hired by you simply because
they don't conform to your standard is going to find a job where their
uniqueness WILL be appreciated. 

> Now think about it, these are service positions. Typically,  these
>jobs are not that tough to get and don't require, most times, formal
>education. (My hiring has been basically "most teeth, phone, car" ok-
>I'll give you a shot).  If they are getting denied jobs at the nice
>places, where will they end up, some place with a drive-thru window?

Tell 'em to come to The Mont. 

>Even then, their opportunities will be limited if they maintain the
>dress/attitude (even in their off hours- I know your personal life
>ideally should not effect your professional one but the reality is
>that it does)

Only because people like you allow that to happen. If you really
believed that what's inside counts, that skill and intelligence should
be the determining factors, then things change. I spent much of my
adult life in the service industry, and I hired on the basis of
ability and fired for stupidity and bad work habits. My customers came
in because they liked the food and the service was beyond reproach. If
they were shocked by appearances every once in a while-- well, it was
good for them to stretch their ideas of what is acceptable.

>These are just my opinions debate if you like,  flame if you feel like
>making an ass of  yourself.

I only flame when someone ELSE makes an ass of themselves.

              --Reverend Mutha Tarla Star --
The two most common things in the Universe are hydrogen and
stupidity -- Harlan Ellison
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