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J.M. Ivler <ivler@net-quest.com> wrote:

>Define "too far". If you mean that teachers don't teach, then maybe you
>should get involved with the school board and try to change that by
>eliminating tenure and i,,,,,,,,

<lots of good points sniped>

Actually, I wholeheartedly agree with you. There are massive problems
in our educational system here in Tulsa that start at the very top
(eg- taxmoney spent to put a new fax machine in each school board
members house as I recall) The problem is so huge that were it up to
me, I don't know where I would start. 

<snip>

>
>Darwinism still works. 

I've been saying that for years but everytime evolution moves to claim
a lesser form, some damn social scientist sweeps the toddler up.

Of all the dumb luck.

>Parents would rather give a kid an $80.00 pair of Nike's than 8 hours of
>their time (assuming that they make about $13.00/hr that's the
>equivilent). Parents think that cartoons are acceptable baby sitters and
>that the school system is there to care for their kids so they can work,
>or play golf, or whatever. Kids who have parents that have abdicated their
>parental responsibility will fail, and it isn't my job, or the schools
>job, or societies job to pick up the pieces of failed parenting (unless
>the parents are willing to get steralized so they won't further burden
>society with thier inability to do more than procreate like rabbits).

<Waiting till I get home from the office to expound on this area>

>
>What do you tell the kid? Do you say. "I'm sorry, but you have made life
>decisions that were optional. The decisions to change your appearance,
>while personal, result in making you unfit for employment here." Do you
>explain that so that they can LEARN from this experience?

Well, now that you mention it. Yes. That is exactly what I would tell
them. 
>

>Hmmm, I suggest that you consider listening to a real old song about "long
>haired" fellas {Sign, sign everywhere a sign... }. 

Been there, done that and yes...even got  the tattoo.

>You may have cut off you nose to spite your face. A French resturant in NY (5 star) in 1974
>agreed to hire a long hair as a busboy, three years later he was a
>chef-in-training and was a asset to the resturant (Yeah, I was a long
>hair, so...). 

That was a different day and time to. I know resentments ran high
against longhairs  on into the 70's but hippies were not portrayed to
the masses as gun-toting, gang rapeing coke dealers. (Not that I've
ever seen, heard or remembered)  I can not vouche for other parts of
the country, but I have heard my guests more than once discuss the
"state of americas youth". Knowing their views, I'm not about to hire
on a person that is visually in complete contridiction to my guests
desires.

>Actually, if he doesn't give up and continues his search, someone might
>say... "Hey, I'd like to hire you but your appearance is not what we are
>looking for. It is nothing that you can't change. How about you consider
>the job you are applying for and come back dressed like you want it
>tomorrow." Imagine what a catch someone with an open mind, and someone who
>wants to help and hire bright kids could do with a statement like that. A
>winning situation for everyone.

I've tried this in times past. Back when I was a nice person, I would
give a young ragamuffin every opertunity. Over the years though, I've
started to notice I'm getting shit on more and more. Now if I try to
gently point out to a person under about the age of 20 that thier
appearance is not quite suitable for job interviewing, I get a wave of
attitude back.   I listened to two girls at small shop  on Cherry St.
a few days ago bitching and moneing to their supervisor that they
didn't want to clean the baseboards. When the supervisor reminded them
that was everybodys job- one said with a snitty little attitude- " If
you fire me I'll tell my dad that I quite because  you tried to molest
me".  This girl could not have been more than about 17 or so.  If I
was guessing she didn't want the job in the first place and daddy,
trying to be a good parent, was trying to teach her the value of
working. So much for that, even when a parent tries, according to this
senario, they fail. 

>
>: These are just my opinions debate if you like,  flame if you feel like
>: making an ass of  yourself.
>
>I love making an ass of myself. Isn't that why they invented Usenet?

No, haven't you heard. Usenet and all 30K+ groups exist soely for the
purpose of  giving Demming a pulpit.


-Kahn