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> >> >I've seen may jurisdictions consider the possiblity of requiring dress
> >> >codes for public schools. I personally believe that mandatory uniforms
> >> >will insure more discipline for the students.
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> >> Right.  Where did you get your degree in psychology?  I believe that it'll
> >> make the kids hate school even more than they already do.

Kids hate school?  Some talk a good line, but in my experience, just not so.

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> >No psychology degree. Just common sense. Go down to your local junior
> >high or middle school and take a look around. The kids wearing the
> >"baggy pants" are on drugs. Why do you think they wear them -- it's a
> >dress code language for drugs!
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> Is it?  Baggy pants are popular among different groups of people, not only
> the "druggies" you suggest.  It's a trend.
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> >Do you live on a farm or do you have "tunnel vision?" Do you keep
> >looking straight ahead when you should be looking around and observing?
> >Or, are you a parent in 'denial?'
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> Nope, not a parent.  I just happen to know a few people who wear "baggy pants"
> who aren't on drugs.  I got to know them because I don't use stereotypes, such
> as clothes, economic status, race, etc, etc to judge.
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> >Just go take a look and see who's
> >using the drugs. Make the school uniform mandatory and the druggie kids
> >might have a difficult time spotting each other! The children, and the
> >schools systems are in BIG trouble today. And people like you, who don't
> >want to get involved or make changes, are the reason. Wake up!

Perhaps this is true in certain sectors of the population - I don't know.  My
immediate concern is on the elementary school level, where I see a good number of
kids in 3 and 4th grade wearing baggies.  Though I'm sure that they're not
involved with drugs, it doesn't look good.  Usually, these same kids have an
'attitude' whereby when they get older, you wouldn't be terribly surprised to find
them getting into trouble.  If they were taught at this age that appearance does
indeed count, and not permitted to wear certain types of clothing at certain
times, the issues might not be so great for them in the upper school.  If people
dress one way to go to church or synagogue, why can't a similar standard be set
for school?  And what of all the private schools requiring uniforms?  I think that
they turn out a large percentage of very successful adults.

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> Yeah, schools are in trouble.  Making it a little boot camp isn't going to
> make it any better.

How did we get from tucking in  a shirt, and wearing a shirt with a collar, to
boot camp?

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> Shouldn't school be a fun place?  Uniforms aren't comfortable, which is going
> to impair the good kids from learning more than if they were casually dressed.
> I'm more productive at work when I get to come in casual.

School is a fun place.  The stuff the kids are doing now makes it more like going
to camp than school.  Even wearing uniforms, which I am not advocating
(necessarily) would not diminish the enjoyment.  If kids wore, for the sake of
arguement, blue pants or skirts and white shirts with collars, with the shirts
tucked in, they would still be dressed comfortably.  They don't need to wear sweat
pants and oversized T shirts to be comfortable.  School is not the place for that
kind of attire.

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> You can't judge a book by its cover, and the bad apples are always going to
> be there.

True, true.  And the really bad ones, which can be counted on one hand in my
school, will continue to be so, even dressed in a suit and tie.  The kids who
would benefit the most are the ones who eventually will come to understand the
reasoning behind proper attire, and come to value it.

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> >> >If you can maintain discipline in the schools and the classroom, then
> >> >you can begin to "teach" the students. Many high school graduates now --
> >> >don't even know how to spell words they should have learned in the 4th
> >> >grade. But they know how to roll a joint!
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This is certainly a valid point.  In many parts of our country, kids are being
pushed through the system, just to get them out.  They have 'street smarts' not an
education.

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> >> I know many Ph.Ds who can't spell that great either, two of which worked
> >> for NASA.

You're off on a tangent.  Of course there are some very bright people who can't
spell - that's a good reason for SpellCheck.  The point, however, is that things
have become so lax in the classroom, and discipline is so difficult to maintain,
that often the kids come out without the necessary education.

> ...and then they digressed even further....
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