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>might want to be careful.  Some areas have (unposted) minimum speed limits. If 

So far, most places that I've been in NJ don't bother to pose the *maximum*
speed -- or street/road names, for that matter.

ObWanted:  a self-serve gas station.
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aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri) writes:
>So far, most places that I've been in NJ don't bother to pose the *maximum*
>speed -- or street/road names, for that matter.

Most states have "default" limits that are in effect unless otherwise posted.
I believe in NJ those limits are 35 MPH "in towns" and 50 MPH "between towns"
(I don't recall the exact wording, but that is the gist of it). If you are
a NJ resident, you should have read that when you took your NJ written test.

>ObWanted:  a self-serve gas station.

Not legal in NJ, although it gets debated every couple of years. Maybe the
gas pupmers have a strong lobby :-)

Bill Hery

aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri) writes:

$ >Some areas have (unposted) minimum speed limits.

$ So far, most places that I've been in NJ don't bother to pose the *maximum*
$ speed -- or street/road names, for that matter.

I disagree; I think NJ has plenty of speed limit signs all over the
place.  Nevertheless, if you didn't see one, the law says that if you
don't see a sign, the limit is 25 for business and residential streets
and 50 for highways.

$ ObWanted:  a self-serve gas station.

That's another topic.  We currently have the lowest gas prices in the
country.  I doubt self-serve would drop the prices.  (I assume that's
why you want it.)  I think it would merely raise the price for full
serve, and there are times when you want full serve.
-- 
Tommy Reingold
AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ
tommy@boole.att.com or att!boole!tommy

>$ So far, most places that I've been in NJ don't bother to pose the *maximum*
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>I disagree; 

So, you know where I've been, huh?

>That's another topic.  We currently have the lowest gas prices in the
>country.

Uhh, wrong.

>I doubt self-serve would drop the prices.  (I assume that's
>why you want it.)

No, because I don't want to bother waiting for the attendent-clod to notice
me, come over, scrap the pump against my paint, turn it on trickle, come back
ten minutes later, go back for the card imprinter, and come back.

In Dallas the gas was cheaper than I've seen it here, and I could drive up
to the pump, insert my card, pump at a reasonable rate, and leave.  No waiting
for clods.

>I think it would merely raise the price for full serve,

Why, and who cares?

>and there are times when you want full serve.

Never.
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>(I don't recall the exact wording, but that is the gist of it). If you are
>a NJ resident, you should have read that when you took your NJ written test.

When I crossed the border there was nobody stopping cars and administering
tests.


>>ObWanted:  a self-serve gas station.

>Not legal in NJ,

I know NOW, that's why I wrote that.

>Maybe the gas pupmers have a strong lobby :-)

I've come to the conclusion that the entire state is run by organized crime.


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In article <1992Dec29.235203.21926@siemens.com> aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri) writes:
>>(I don't recall the exact wording, but that is the gist of it). If you are
>>a NJ resident, you should have read that when you took your NJ written test.
>
>When I crossed the border there was nobody stopping cars and administering
>tests.
>
I don't know where you crossed the border, but where I've crossed it,
there are signs posted that say something like this:

NJ Speed limit - Urban 25, Rural 50 - unless otherwise posted.

Steve

Stephen Yavorski			internet - yavo@ivy.paramax.com
NEXRAD Integration			phone    - (215) 443 - 7500
Paramax Systems Corporation
Ivyland, Pennsylvania

~tommy@boole.att.com (Tommy Reingold) says:
[...]
>$ ObWanted:  a self-serve gas station.
>
>That's another topic.  We currently have the lowest gas prices in the
>country.  I doubt self-serve would drop the prices.  (I assume that's
>why you want it.)  I think it would merely raise the price for full
>serve, and there are times when you want full serve.

Self-service would NOT drop the price of gasoline, despite the propaganda
the oil companies spout.  My father has owned a gas station for the past 30+
years.  I having worked there a number of years back, I saw first hand how
the oil companies work things in their favor.

They claim self-service is cheaper, but you are correct we do have the (or 
almost the) lowest prices in the country.  The higher price at the full serve
pumps in self-serve states is artificially high to make folks go to the
self-serve pumps.  Why?  Most of stations are oil company run (as opposed 
to individual stations).  It is much cheaper to hire one guy to pump
the gas occasionally than to let the customers do it themselves.

Last time the oil companies tried to push [sneak would be a better word if
you heard about the behind the scenes stuff that went on with our well paid
off^H^H^Hfor "representatives" in Trenton] self-serve thorough, they really
thought they would get it.  (Notice how many self-serve type pumps suddenly
appeared at NJ gas stations; this was _before_ the bill was voted on, too.
That is how confident they were.)

Eventually the oil companies will probably get self-serve in NJ.  They have
time and money on their side.  Expect to see it tried again in a few years.
Folks who have been brainwashed by self-serve in other states will think it
is "a good idea" because of promised lower prices.  Funny thing is that in
self-serve states the self-serve pump price is pretty close to the
full serve price in NJ.  If self-serve is so much cheaper, why is there not
more of a difference?  Try asking that of a oil company's district rep and
see if he gives you a straight answer.
-- 
  Bob Billson, KC2WZ                          | internet: bob@kc2wz.bubble.org
  $nail:  21 Bates Way,  Westfield, NJ 07090  | uucp:     ...!uunet!kc2wz!bob

  "Professional ear piercing--while you wait!"  --sign in local jewelry store

In article <209@kc2wz.bubble.org>, bob@kc2wz.bubble.org (Bob Billson) writes:
> ~tommy@boole.att.com (Tommy Reingold) says:
> [...]
>>$ ObWanted:  a self-serve gas station.
>>
>>That's another topic.  We currently have the lowest gas prices in the
>>country.  I doubt self-serve would drop the prices.  (I assume that's
>>why you want it.)  I think it would merely raise the price for full
>>serve, and there are times when you want full serve.
> 
> Self-service would NOT drop the price of gasoline, despite the propaganda
> the oil companies spout.  My father has owned a gas station for the past 30+
> years.  I having worked there a number of years back, I saw first hand how
> the oil companies work things in their favor.
> 
Just to jump in on this topic,
	
	I assume that gas stations have to pay insurance on their property.
Wouldn't the insurance rates be higher for a self-serve station with any
Tom, Dick of Martha serving their own gas than for a full-service station
with "trained professionals" pumping away?

	This would seem to explain why full-service could be cheaper.

> -- 
>   Bob Billson, KC2WZ                          | internet: bob@kc2wz.bubble.org
>   $nail:  21 Bates Way,  Westfield, NJ 07090  | uucp:     ...!uunet!kc2wz!bob
> 
>   "Professional ear piercing--while you wait!"  --sign in local jewelry store


	-billy clyde
	wkimler@drew.drew.edu

>Self-service would NOT drop the price of gasoline, despite the propaganda
>the oil companies spout.

Explain to me now lowering the overhead at the station and increasing
throughput won't lower prices.

>They claim self-service is cheaper

Not to mention faster, more convenient, and safer.

> but you are correct we do have the (or 
>almost the) lowest prices in the country.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You're joking, right?  I recently drove here from Texas.  The prices in
*every* state along the way were lower than what I've seen here.  Prices in
Texas were consistently 10-15 cents less that what I've seen here.

>The higher price at the full serve
>pumps in self-serve states is artificially high to make folks go to the
>self-serve pumps.

Even if that were true, why would it be a bad thing?

>  Why?  Most of stations are oil company run (as opposed 
>to individual stations).

How can this possibly be relevent?

>  It is much cheaper to hire one guy to pump
>the gas occasionally than to let the customers do it themselves.

HUH?  Explain to me how increased overhead and decreased throughput is
cheaper.


>thought they would get it.  (Notice how many self-serve type pumps suddenly

What, pray tell, is a "self-serve type pump"?

>Eventually the oil companies will probably get self-serve in NJ.  They have
>time and money on their side.

Time and money are why *I* want them.

>Folks who have been brainwashed by self-serve in other states

I can't understand why you like wasting your time and money being served.
Need to feel superior to someone but can't afford a maid?

>is "a good idea" because of promised lower prices.
			     ^^^^^^^^ delivered

> Funny thing is that in
>self-serve states the self-serve pump price is pretty close to the
>full serve price in NJ.

WRONG.

>If self-serve is so much cheaper, why is there not
>more of a difference?

There *is*.
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In article <1992Dec29.015039.27022@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery) writes:
> aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri) writes:
> >So far, most places that I've been in NJ don't bother to pose the *maximum*
> >speed -- or street/road names, for that matter.
> >ObWanted:  a self-serve gas station.
>
> Not legal in NJ, although it gets debated every couple of years. Maybe the
> gas pupmers have a strong lobby :-)
> Bill Hery


And for whatever reason, NJ has about the lowest prices for gasoline
in the country, although I'd bet the gas taxes are among the highest
in the nation. I believe no self-service stations to be the reason.
May it ALWAYS be that way. 




Mark

In article <1992Dec29.235203.21926@siemens.com> aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri) writes:

> I've come to the conclusion that the entire state is run by
> organized crime. 


Guess you haven't been here long, huh? This is hardly a secret.

Until the past few months (maybe 6 or so), NJs gas prices were the
cheapest I've seen anywhere, and in the past 3 years, I've driven
cross-country twice (in the midwest, you can't hardly find 93 octane,
and you pay the same price there for 89 that you pay for 93 here), and
thru the New England and Canada areas once. Now, I don't know,
especially with this bullshit *oxygenated mixture* they've foisted on
us.  





Mark

rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart) writes:
>And for whatever reason, NJ has about the lowest prices for gasoline
                                           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~?
>in the country, although I'd bet the gas taxes are among the highest
>in the nation. I believe no self-service stations to be the reason.
>May it ALWAYS be that way. 

>Mark

In Atlanta, it's +- 0.89/1.04/1.10; In North Carolina, it's about
1.00/1.10/1.20