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DE Deurs EEM GROOT COMPLOT

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From: Straver
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De Amerikaanse beurs is ��n grote gemanipuleerde zaak, die wordt
bestuurd vanuit het Witte huis. 
Dat beweert hoogleraar Robert Bell in zijn nieuwste boek �Beursbedrog.
De windhandel op de aandelenmarkt�. 
Het boek is wel te koop in het Nederlands, maar vreemd genoeg niet in
het Engels. Bell gaat met zijn theorie uit van het bestaan van het
Plunge Protection Team, dat moet voorkomen dat de beurs in een crisis
raakt. 

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Zijn conclusie "het Witte Huis" klopt voor geen meter.

Wel verdiende Joseph Kennedy als zakenbank directeur genoeg geld in de
CRASH VAN 1929 om de verkiezingscampagne van zijn zoon J.F. Kennedy te
betalen.

De SENATORS in de SENATE zijn meestal miljonaires door kennis van de
markets. Warren BUFFETT vader was ook in de politiek.

De insiderkennis van beleggen gaat over van vader op zoon. 
Onervaren beleggers hebben mentale training nodig.

Het is een strijd tussen THE SMART MONEY en de DUNB MONEY,

Beleggers die weten hoe de markt in elkaar steekt en hoe het onwetend
emotioneel publiek op het verkeerde been wordt gezet halen de "centen"
met bakken binnen.

Not knowing them at all? Well, let's put it this way: How safe would 
you feel if you suddenly found yourself piloting (solo) a Boeing 747
as it were landing on an airstrip? 

Unless you are a professional pilot, you would probably be frightened 
out of your wits and would soil your underwear. Hold that thought as 
you read this essay 

... because I will explain to you how market manipulation works. 

In order to successfully speculate, one should presume the following: 
THE SMALL CAP STOCK MARKETS PRIMARILY EXIST TO FLEECE YOU! 

I'm talking about Vancouver, Alberta, the Canadian Dealing Network and

the US Over-the Counter markets (Pink Sheets, Bulletin Board, etc.). 
One could also stretch this, with many stocks, to include the world's 
senior stock markets, including Toronto, New York, NASDAQ, London,
etc. 

The average investor or speculator is not very likely to have much 
success in the small cap crapshoots. 

I guess that is what attracted ME to these markets. I have been
trying, for quite some time, to answer this question, "How come?" Now,
I know. 
And you should, too! 

"While these speculative companies do not actually make any money, one

can profit by speculating in these companies." 

That is the premise on how these markets are run, by both the stock 
promoters, insiders, brokers, analysts and others in this industry. 
That logic is flawed in that it presumes "someone else" is going to
end up holding the dirty bag. 

Follow this premise all the way through and you will realize the
insane conclusion: 

For these markets to continue along that route, new suckers have to 
continue coming into the marketplace. The conclusion is insane in that

such mad activity can only be short-lived. I disagree with this
premise and propose another solution 

What the professionals and the securities regulators know and 
understand, which the rest of us do not, is this. 


"RULE #1: 

ALL SHARP PRICE MOVEMENTS -- WHETHER UP OR DOWN -- ARE THE RESULT OF 
ONE OR MORE (USUALLY A GROUP OF) PROFESSIONALS MANIPULATING THE SHARE 
PRICE." 

This should explain why a mining company finds something good and 
"nothing happens" or the stock goes down. At the sametime, for NO 
apparent reason, a stock suddenly takes off for the sky! On little 
volume! Someone is manipulating that stock, often with an unfounded 
rumor. 

In order to make these market manipulations work, the professionals 
assume: (a) The Public is STUPID and (b) The Public will mainly buy at

the HIGH and (c) The Public will sell at the LOW. Therefore, as long
as the market manipulator can run crowd control, he can be successful.


Let's face it: The reason you speculate in such markets is that you
are greedy AND optimistic. You believe in a better tomorrow and NEED
to make money quickly. It is this sentiment which is exploited by the 
market manipulator. He controls YOUR greed and fear about a particular

stock. If he wants you to buy, the company's prospects look like the 
next Microsoft. If the manipulator wants you to desert the sinking 
ship, he suddenly becomes very guarded in his remarks about the 
company, isn't around to glowingly answer questions about the company 
and/or GETS issued very bad news about the company. Which brings us to

the next important rule. 

"RULE #2: 

IF THE MARKET MANIPULATOR WANTS TO DISTRIBUTE (DUMP) HIS SHARES, HE 
WILL START A GOOD NEWS PROMOTIONAL CAMPAIGN." 

Ever wonder why a particular company is made to look like the greatest

thing since sliced bread? That sentiment is manufactured. Newsletter 
writers are hired -- either secretly or not -- to cheerlead a stock.
PR firms are hired and let loose upon an unsuspecting public.
Contracts to appear on radio talk shows are signed and implemented.
Stockbrokers get "cheap" stock to recommend the company to their
"book" (that means YOU, the client in his book). An advertising
campaign is rolled out (television ads, newspaper ads, card deck
mailings). The company signs up to exhibit at "investment conferences"
and "gold shows" (mainly so they can get a little "podium time" to
hype you on their stock and tell you how "their company is really
different" and "not a stock promotion.") Funny little "hype" messages
are posted on Internet newsgroups by the same cast of usual suspects.
The more, the merrier. 
And a little "juice" can go a long way toward running up the stock 
price. 

The HYPE is on. The more clever a stock promoter, the better his 
knowledge of the advertising business. Little gimmicks like 
"positioning" are used. Example: Make a completely unknown company
look warm and fuzzy and appealing to you by comparing it to a recent
success story, Diamond Fields or Bre-X Minerals. That is the
POSITIONING gospel, authored by Ries and Trout (famous for "Avis: We
Want To Be #1" and "We Try Harder" and other such slogans). These
advertising/PR  executives must have stumbled onto this formula after
losing their shirts speculating in a few Canadian stock promotions!
The only reason  you have been invited to this seemingly incredible
banquet is that YOU are the main course. After the market manipulator
has suckered you into "his investment," exchanging HIS paper for YOUR
cash, the walls begin to close in on you. Why is that? 

"RULE #3 

AS SOON AS THE MARKET MANIPULATOR HAS COMPLETED HIS DISTRIBUTION 
(DUMPING) OF SHARES, HE WILL START A BAD NEWS OR NO NEWS CAMPAIGN." 

Your favorite home-run stock has just stalled or retreated a bit from 
its high. Suddenly, there is a news VACUUM. Either NO news or BAD 
rumors. I discovered this with quite a few stocks. I would get LOADS
of information and "hot tips." All of a sudden, my pipeline was
shut-off. 
Some companies would even issue a news release CONDEMNING me ("We
don't need 'that kind of hype' referring to me!). Cute, huh? When the
company wanted fantastic hype circulated hither and yon, there would
be someone there to spoon-feed me. The second the distribution phase
was DONE....ooops! Sorry, no more news. Or, "I'm sorry. He's not in
the office." Or, "He won't be back until Monday." 

The really slick market manipulators would even seed the Internet news

groups or other journalists to plant negative stories about that 
company. Or start a propaganda campaign of negative rumors on all 
available communication vehicles. Even hiring a "contrarian" or 
"special PR firm" to drive down the price. Even hiring someone to 
attack the guy who had earlier written glowingly about the company. 
(This is not a game for the faint-hearted!) 

You'll also see the stock drifting endlessly. You may even experience
a helpless feeling, as if you were floating in outer space without a 
lifeline. That is exactly HOW the market manipulator wants you to
feel. See Rule Number Five below. He may also be doing this to avoid
the severe disappointment of a "dry hole" or a "failed deal." You'll
hear that oft-cried refrain, "Oh well, that's the junior minerals 
exploration business... very risky!" Or the oft-quoted statistic,
"Nine out of 10 businesses fail each year and this IS a Venture
Capital  Startup stock exchange." Don't think it wasn't contrived. If
a geologist at a junior mining company wasn't optimistic and rosy in
his promise of exploration success, he would be replaced by someone
who was! Ditto for the high-tech deal, in a world awash with PhD's. 

So, how do you know when you are being taken? Look again at Rule #1. 
Inside that rule, a few other rules unfold which explain how a stock 
price is manipulated. 


"RULE #4 

ANY STOCK THAT TRADES HUGE VOLUME AT HIGHER PRICES SIGNALS THE 
DISTRIBUTION PHASE." 

When there was less volume, the price was lower. Professionals were 
accumulating. After the price runs, the volume increases. The 
professionals bought low and sold high. The amateurs bought high (and 
will soon enough sell low). In older books about market manipulation 
and stock promotion, which I've recently studied, the markup price 
referred to THREE times higher than the floor. The floor is the launch

pad for the stock. For example, if one looks at the stock price and 
finds a steady flatline on the stock's chart of around 10 cents, then 
that range is the FLOOR. Basically, the markup phase can go as high as

the market manipulator is capable of taking it. From my observations,
a good markup should be able to run about five to ten times higher
than the floor, with six to seven being common. The market manipulator
will do everything in his power to keep you OUT OF THE STOCK until the
share price has been marked up by at least two-three times, sometimes 
resorting to "shaking you out" until after he has accumulated enough 
shares. Once the markup has begun, the stock chart will show you one
or more spikes in the volume -- all at much higher prices (marked up
by the manipulator, of course). That is DISTRIBUTION and nothing else.


Example: Look at Software Control Systems (Alberta: XVN), in which I 
purchased shares after it had been marked up five times.There were 
eight days of 500,000 (plus) shares trading hands, with one day of 
750,000 shares trading hands. Market manipulator(s) dumping shares
into the volume at higher prices. WHENEVER you see HUGE volume after
the stock has risen on a 75 degree angle, the distribution phase has 
started and you are likely to be buying in at or near the stock's peak

price. 

Example: Look at Diamond Fields (TSE: DFR), which never increased at a

75 degree angle and did not have abnormal volume spikes, yet in less 
than two years ran from C$4 to C$160/share. 

Example: Look at Bre-X Minerals (Alberta: BXM), which did not 
experience its first 75 degree angle, with huge volume until July
14th, 1995. The next two trading days, BXM went down and stayed around
C $12/share for two weeks. The volume had been 60% higher nearly a
month earlier, with only a slight price increase. Each high volume and

spectacular increase in BXM's share price was met with a price retreat

and leveling off. "Suddenly," BXM wasn't trading at C$2/share; it was 
at C$170/share.... up 8500% in less than a year! 

In both of the above cases, major Canadian newspapers ran extremely 
negative stories about both companies, at one time or another. In each

instance, just before another share price run up,retail investors fled

the stock! Just before both began yet another run up! Successful
short-term speculators generally exit any stock run up when the volume
soars; amateurs get greedy and buy at those points. 

"RULE #5 

THE MARKET MANIPULATOR WILL ALWAYS TRY TO GET YOU TO BUY AT THE 
HIGHEST, AND SELL AT THE LOWEST PRICE POSSIBLE." 

Just as the manipulator will use every available means to invite you
to "the party," he will savagely and brutally drive you away from "his

stock" when he has fleeced you. The first falsehood you assume is that

the stock promoter WANTS you to make a bundle by investing in his 
company. So begins a string of lies that run for as long as your 
stomach can take it. 

You will get the first clue that "you have been had" when the stock 
stalls at the higher level. Somehow, it ran out of steam and you are 
not sure why. Well, it ran out of steam because the market manipulator

stopped running it up. It's over inflated and he can't convince more 
people to buy. The volume dries up while the shareprice seems to
stall. 

LOOK AT THE TRADING VOLUME, NOT THE SHARE PRICE! 

When earlier, there may have been 500,000 shares trading each day for 
eight out of 12 trading days (as in the case of Software Control 
Systems), now the volume has slipped to 100,000 shares (or so) daily. 
There are some buyers there, enough for the manipulator to continue 
dumping his paper, but only so long as he can enlist one or more 
individuals/services to bang his drum. 

He may continue feeding the promo guys a string of "promises" and
"good news down the road." (Believe me, this HAS happened to me!) But,
when the news finally arrives, the stock price goes THUD! This is
entirely orchestrated by a market manipulator. You'll see it in the
trading volume, most of which is CONTRIVED. A market manipulator will
have various brokers buying and selling the stock to give the
APPEARANCE of increasing volume and price so that YOU do start chasing
it higher. 

At some point during the stall stage, investors get fed up with the 
non-performance of the stock. It drifts for a while, in a steady 
retreat, with perhaps a short-lived spike in price and volume (the 
final signal that the manipulator has finally offloaded ALL of his 
paper). Then, the stock comes tumbling down -- having lost ALL of the 
earlier share appreciation. 

Sometimes, with the more cruel manipulators, they will throwin a
little false hope... giving you a little more rope so they can better
hang you. Just after a severe drop, there will be a "bottom fishing" 
announcement which sends the share price up a bit on high volume,
rises a little more after that and then continues to drift. Meanwhile,
you keep getting "shaken out" through a cruel drip-drip water torture
of the share price's slow retreat. Again, virtually every movement is 
completely orchestrated. 


"RULE #6 

IF THIS IS A REAL DEAL, THEN YOU ARE LIKELY TO BE THE LAST PERSON TO
BE NOTIFIED OR WILL BE DRIVEN OUT AT THE LOWER PRICES." 

Like Jesse Livermore wrote, "If there's some easy money lying around, 
no one is going to force it into your pocket." The same concept can be

more clearly understood by watching the tape. When a market
manipulator wants you into his stock, you will hear LOUD noises of
stock promotion and hype. If you are "in the loop," you will be
bombarded from many directions. Similarly, if he wants you out of the
stock, then there will be orchestrated rumors being circulated,
rapid-fired at you again from many directions. Just as good news may
come to you in waves, so will bad news. 

You will see evidence of a VERY sharp drop in the share price with
HUGE volume. That is you and your buddies running for the exits. If
the deal is really for real, the market manipulator wants to get ALL
OF YOUR SHARES or as many as he can... and at the lowest price he can.
Whereas before, he wanted you IN his market, so he could dump his
shares to you at a higher price, NOW when he sees that this deal IS
for real, he wants to pay as little as possible for those same
shares... YOUR shares which he wants to you part with, as quickly as
possible. 

The market manipulator will shake you out by DRIVING the price as low 
as he can. 

Just as in the "accumulation" stage, he wants to keep everything as 
quiet as possible so he can snap up as many of the shares for himself,

he will NOW turn down, or even turn off, the volume so he can repeat 
the accumulation phase. 

In the mining business, there seems to always be another "areaplay" 
around the corner. Just as Voisey's Bay drifted into oblivion, during 
the fourth quarter of 1995 and early into 1996, the same Voisey Bay 
"wannabees" began striking deals in Indonesia. Some even used new 
corporate entities. Same crooks, different shingles. The accumulation 
phase was TOP SECRET. The noise level was deadly silent. As soon as
the insiders accumulated all their shares, they let YOU in on the
secret. 

"RULE #7 

CONVERSELY, YOU WILL OFTEN BE THE LAST TO KNOW WHEN THIS DEAL SHOWS 
SIGNS OF FAILURE." 

Twenty-twenty hindsight will often show you that there was a "little 
stumble" in the share price, just as the "assays were delayed" or the 
"deal didn't go through." Manipulators were peeling off their paper to

START the downslide. And ACCELERATE it. The quick slide down makes it 
improbable for your getting out at more than what you originally paid 
for the stock... and gives you a better reason for holding onto it "a 
little longer" in case the price rebounds. Then, the drifting stage 
begins and fear takes over. And unless you have serves of steel and
can afford to wait out the manipulator, you will more than likely end
up selling out at a cheap price. 

For the insider, market maker or underwriter is obliged to buy back
all  of your paper in order to keep his company alive and maintain
control of it. The less he has to pay for your paper, the lower his
cost will be to commence his stock promotion again... at some future
date. Even if his company has no prospects AT ALL, his "shell" of a
company has some value (only in that others might want to use that
structure so they can run their own stock promotion). So, the
manipulator WILL buy back his paper. He just wants to make sure that
he pays as little for those shares as possible. 

"RULE #8 

THE MARKET MANIPULATOR WILL COMPEL YOU INTO THE STOCK SO THAT YOU
DRIVE UP ITS PRICE SHARES." 

Placing a Market Order or Pre-Market Order is an amateur's mistake, 
typifying the US investor -- one who assumes that thinly traded issues

are the same as blue chip stocks, to which they are accustomed. 

A market manipulator (traders included here) can jack up the share 
price during your market order and bring you back a confirmation at 
some preposterous level. The Market Manipulator will use the "tape" 
against you. He will keep buying up his own paper to keep you reaching

for a higher price. He will get in line ahead of you to buy all the 
shares at the current price and force you to pay MORE for those
shares. 
He will tease you and MAKE you reach for the higher price so you
"won't miss out." Miss out on what? Getting your head chopped off,
that's what! One can avoid market manipulation by not buying during
the huge price spikes and abnormal trading volumes, also known as
chasing the stock to a higher price. 

"RULE #9: 

THE MARKET MANIPULATOR IS WELL AWARE OF THE EMOTIONS YOU ARE 
EXPERIENCING DURING A RUN UP AND A COLLAPSE AND WILL PLAY YOUR
EMOTIONS LIKE A PIANO." 

During the run up, you WILL have a rush of greed which compels you to 
run into the stock. During the collapse, you WILL have a fear that you

will lose everything... so you will rush to exit. See how simple it is

and how clear a bell it strikes? Don't think this formula isn't 
tattooed inside the mind of every manipulator. The market manipulator 
will play you on the way up and play you on the way down. If he does
it very well, he will make it look like someone else's fault that you
lost money! Promise to fill up your wallet? You'll rush into the
stock. 
Scare you into losing every penny you have in that stock? You'll run 
away screaming with horror! And vow to NEVER, ever speculate in such 
stocks again. But many of you still do.... The manipulator even knows 
how to bring you back for yet another play. 


"FINAL RULE: A NEW BATCH OF SUCKERS ARE BORN WITH EVERY NEW PLAY." 

The Financial Markets are a Cruel, Unkind and Dangerous Playing Field,

one place where the newest amateurs are generally fleeced the most 
brutally.... usually by those who KNOW the above rules. 

Just as I have a duty to ensure that each of you understand how this 
game is played, YOU now have that same duty to guarantee that your 
fellow speculator understands these rules. Just as I would be a 
criminal for not making this data known to you, YOU would bejust as 
criminal to keep it a secret. There will always be an unsuspecting, 
trusting fool whom the rabid dogs will tear to shreds, but it does NOT

have to be this way. 

IF every subscriber made this essay broadly known to his friends, 
acquaintances and family, and they passed it on to their friends, word

of mouth could cause many of these market manipulators to pause. IF 
this effort were done strenuously by many, then perhaps the financial 
markets could weed out the crooked manipulators and the promoters
could bring us more legitimate plays. 

The stock markets are a financing tool. The companies BORROW money
from you, when you invest or speculate in their companies. They want
their  share price going higher so they can finance their deal with
less dilution of their shares... if they are good guys. But, how would
you feel about a friend or family member who kept borrowing money from
you and never repaid it? That would be theft, plain and simple. So, a 
market manipulator is STEALING your money. Don't let him do it
anymore. 
Insist that the company in which you invest be honest or straight...
or find another company in which to speculate. Your money talks in
LOUDER volumes than any stockpromotion scheme. ALWAYS refuse any deal
which smells wrong. 

Refuse to tolerate the scams prevalent in the financial markets. This 
can ONLY be accomplished by KNOWING and USING the above rules. 
Thoroughly COMPLETE your due diligence on a company before risking a 
dime. Dig up the Insider Reports to find out who is blowing out their 
paper, how often they are blowing out their paper and whatever
happened to their "last play." 

Begin to use this as YOUR rule of thumb: If the insider's paper is 
really worthless, then avoid it. Find another's whose paper DOES hold 
promise and honest possibilities. In these small cap stockmarkets, you

are investing more in the INDIVIDUAL behind the play,than the 
"possibility" of the play itself. Ask yourself before speculating: 
Could I lend this person $5,000 for a year and hope to get it back? If

not, then don't! Do it for your own good and the good of everyone else

who is so foolish as to speculate in these financial markets! 

The truly sane and only somewhat safe solution to all of this: FIND
GOOD COMPANIES IN WHICH TO SPECULATE AND GET INTO THEM AT THE GROUND 
FLOOR LEVEL. Anything else is criminal or stupid. This is a case where

there really isn't a gray area. It's either Black or it's White. The 
company and its management are scamsters or they really intend to
bring value to their shareholders. 

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Straver brengt al jaren bovenstaande regels in praktijk.
het advies van de schrijver GET INTO THEM AT THE GROUND FLOOR LEVEL
volgt Straver getrouw.
Een dalende markt waarbij de koersen als kaartenhuizen in elkaar
zakken geeft de kans deze manier beleggen met succes uit te voeren 
Het is een vaststaand feit dat de koersen van alle aandelen hoe ver ze
ook inzakken toch een bodem moeten vormen en vandaar uit weer moeten
stijgen. 
Dit levert enorme kansen op winstgevend te investeren.
Het is echter nodig de selectiemethode te veranderen. Topresultaten op
lange termijn worden alleen behaald door bij
de keuze over te schakelen van populaire naar inpopulaire aandelen.

In 2001 heeft Straver, turnaround specialist, geadviseerd de strategie
van Warren Buffett en John Templeton te volgen door  
kalm en geduldig het koersverloop van de geselecteerde aandelen te
volgen. Straver heeft lang voordat de dieptepunten in het koersverloop
waren bereikt en de koersen nog steeds in een vrije val daalden
dagelijks een lijst van aandelen gepubliceerd om beleggers erop attent
te maken dat deze aandelen zich in bodemformatie bewegen en een
ommekeerpunt te verwachten is.
Nadat een ommekeerpunt is bereikt is het risico van verdere daling
minimaal en is een aandeel voor de lange termijn koopwaardig.

Om zich in te dekken dat een verkeerde inschatting is gemaakt, is een
grote spreiding een eerste vereiste. Men moet bereid zijn te middelen
zodat de inkoopprijs zo laag mogelijk komt te liggen.  

Hier volgt een overzicht van de resultaten die beleggers hebben
bereikt door de strategie van WARREN BUFFETT te volgen en te
investeren nadat de aandelen een ommekeerpunt hadden bereikt.
Al deze aandelen zijn nog steeds zeer koopwaardig. Wij staan aan het
begin van een explosieve bull market.

THE WARREN BUFFETT FAN CLUB  PORTFOLIO. 

                 A<------>B<------>C<--------->D 
                 %<------>LOW<-->17/04/03<-->Absoluut

Buhrmann<------->27,76------>1,81<---->2,71<--->0,50
Corus<--------->160,00<----->0,05<---->0,13<--->0,08
KPN<----------->177,53<----->2,03<---->5,64<--->3,61
Laurus<--------->62,67<----->0,75<---->1,22<--->0,47
Getronics<----->344,44<----->0,09<---->0,40<--->0,31
Randstad<------>109,56<----->5,02<--->10,52<--->5,50
Vedior<--------->71.66<----->3,07<---->5,27<--->2,20
VendexKBB<------>25,03<----->6,02<---->8.03<--->2,01

Cardio Control<>280.64<----->1,55<---->5,90<--->4.35
Centric KSI<---->71.43<----->0,35<---->0,60<--->0,25
C/Tac-Align<---->50.00<----->0,38<---->0,57<--->0,19
De Vries Rob<-->146,81<----->0,47<---->1,16<--->0,69
DNC<------------->0.08<----->0,34<---->0,37<--->0,03
EVC<----------->492.59<----->0,27<---->1,60<--->1,34
Fornix Bio.<-----13,88<----->6,70<---->7,63<--->0,83

HES Beheer<----->80,00<----->2,20<---->3,69<--->1,76
Ispat<--------->246.67<----->0,90<---->3,12<--->2,22
Man. Share<---->500,00<----->0,09<---->0,54<--->0,45
Newconomy<----->220,00<----->0,05<---->0,16<--->0,11
Pharming<------>328,58<----->0,14<---->0,60<--->0,46
Prolion<---------47,06<----->0,17<---->0,24<--->0,08
Scala<---------->38,73<----->1,11<---->1,54<--->0,43
TIE<------------>40,00<----->0,30<---->0,42<--->0,12
Tulip<---------->36,36<----->0,22<---->0,30<--->0,08
UPC<----------->200,00<----->0,01<---->0,03<--->0,02
Versatel<------>364,71<----->0,17<---->0,79<--->0,62

A geeft de huidige stijging en koerswinst vanaf het dieptepunt 
B geeft de dieptepunten aan. 
C is de huidige koers van 17 april 2003



  
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