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         The messages below were sent to me by
         some individual preporting to represent
         a community somewhere. They indicate
         that two articles I wrote were cancelled
         by that individual. By that they mean
         a message in my name was sent out that
         resulted in my words being erased on
         many computers world-wide.

         I find this practice to be unethical &
         repulsive. No-one can erase my words 
         without my permission. The NewsGroups
         I sent my message are UNMODERATED and
         that means no-one controls the flow of
         information and discussion. Such article
         cancelations corrode the usefullness and
         trustworthiness of UseNet and are to be
         aggressively challenged where-ever and
         whenever they are encountered.

                   Bob Allisat


PS... the articles that were canceled have been reposted.
Leave my words alone. I wrote them. Respect my authorship - BA
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 96 21:34:28 -0700 (PDT)
To: allisat@lglobal.com
From: nobody@thunder.sbay.org (cancelbot)
Reply-To: cancelbot-admin@sbay.org (sbay.* cancelbot administrators)
Subject: article cancellation notice
Precedence: junk
X-Sent-By: sbay-cancelbot 1.19

Reason(s) for cancellation:
   * ECP: Too many total non-local newsgroups (22)
   * ECP: Too many similar-suffix newsgroups not recognized as local (22)
   * ECP: Too many similar-suffix newsgroups recognized as non-local (14)
   * ECP: Too many newsgroups recognized as non-local or global (14)
   * ECP: Too many total newsgroups (23)

[This is an automated message.]

An article of yours was automatically cancelled by the sbay.* cancelbot.
If you believe this was in error, please contact cancelbot-admin@sbay.org.

The sbay.* newsgroups are chartered for local articles only.  That means
articles in these newsgroups must be at least partly specific to the
South Bay/Silicon Valley Area of Northern California.

At the request of the sbay.* readership, there are policies against using the
sbay.* groups for:  (these may be listed among the reason(s) for cancellation)
  OOTAS   out-of-the-area solicitation
  EMP     excessive multiple-posting (known on the Net as "spam")
  ECP     excessive cross-posting (known on the Net as "velveeta")
  spew    re-posting old articles with new Message-IDs
  binary  binary content (graphics, sound, etc) in a non-binary newsgroup
  MMF     "make-money-fast", pyramid scams and/or chain letters

We remind you of your option to leave the sbay.* newsgroups out of any
broadcast you try to make.  Please respect the wishes of our community.
Even better, we hope you'll respect the purpose of local-area newsgroups
and not use any others except those for the area you reside in, for
subjects relevant to them.

If you choose to post in the sbay.* groups, your article is subject to the
established rules.  The cancelbot will inspect the headers and cancel your
article if they violate the published criteria.  If you don't like these
rules, you may avoid the cancelbot by not posting in the sbay.* newsgroups.

Unresponsive repeat offenders may also be added to an auto-cancel list until
they agree to cooperate.  Repeat offenders may also be reported in the
news.admin.net-abuse.announce newsgroup if any Big 8 newsgroups are involved.

The rules also apply if you responded to an inappropriate article and
inadvertently used the same excessive newsgroup list.  You need to check the
newsgroups before posting because you're responsible for what you post.
However, if you were complaining about the article, be assured that it was
also automatically cancelled.

For more information about the sbay.* newsgroups and the cancelbot, see
   http://www.sbay.org/sbay-newsgroups.html
   http://www.sbay.org/sbay-news-policy.html

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> From: allisat@lglobal.com (Bob Allisat)
> Newsgroups:
ny.general,tnn.general,sbay.general,tor.general,trentu.general,stl.general,tx.general,ak.general,utah.general,cle.general,deceiver.general,fsu.general,mcs.general,ga.general,wi.general,dc.general,wa.general,boulder.general,va.general,balt.general,asu.general,vegas.general,earth.general
> Subject: Re: MISSING PERSON
> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:19:28 -0500
> Organization: <http://www.wtv.net/free/nolympics>
> Lines: 16
> Message-ID: <allisat-2206961919280001@voyager1.lglobal.com>
> References: <kpserv-2206961044560001@term2-22.vta.west.net>
> Reply-To: earth.general
> NNTP-Posting-Host: voyager1.lglobal.com
> 
> 
>         Is it just me or is anyone out there
>         suspicious of these kind of articles?
>         We are not snitches for the police or
>         informants on our neighbours. The use
>         of Usenet specifically and the internet
>         generally as a vast surviellance tool
>         disturbs me. It is not the way most
>         people want this medium to follow...
>         with the exception of the police and
>         governments. And that's all they seem
>         to see here... as a way to control and
>         track the people at large. Including me
>         you and everyone else. Just say no.
> 
>                     Bob Allisat


2.

Date: Sun, 23 Jun 96 21:37:58 -0700 (PDT)
To: allisat@lglobal.com
From: nobody@thunder.sbay.org (cancelbot)
Reply-To: cancelbot-admin@sbay.org (sbay.* cancelbot administrators)
Subject: article cancellation notice
Precedence: junk
X-Sent-By: sbay-cancelbot 1.19

Reason(s) for cancellation:
   * ECP: Too many total non-local newsgroups (22)
   * ECP: Too many similar-suffix newsgroups not recognized as local (22)
   * ECP: Too many similar-suffix newsgroups recognized as non-local (14)
   * ECP: Too many newsgroups recognized as non-local or global (14)
   * ECP: Too many total newsgroups (23)

[This is an automated message.]

An article of yours was automatically cancelled by the sbay.* cancelbot.
If you believe this was in error, please contact cancelbot-admin@sbay.org.

The sbay.* newsgroups are chartered for local articles only.  That means
articles in these newsgroups must be at least partly specific to the
South Bay/Silicon Valley Area of Northern California.

At the request of the sbay.* readership, there are policies against using the
sbay.* groups for:  (these may be listed among the reason(s) for cancellation)
  OOTAS   out-of-the-area solicitation
  EMP     excessive multiple-posting (known on the Net as "spam")
  ECP     excessive cross-posting (known on the Net as "velveeta")
  spew    re-posting old articles with new Message-IDs
  binary  binary content (graphics, sound, etc) in a non-binary newsgroup
  MMF     "make-money-fast", pyramid scams and/or chain letters

We remind you of your option to leave the sbay.* newsgroups out of any
broadcast you try to make.  Please respect the wishes of our community.
Even better, we hope you'll respect the purpose of local-area newsgroups
and not use any others except those for the area you reside in, for
subjects relevant to them.

If you choose to post in the sbay.* groups, your article is subject to the
established rules.  The cancelbot will inspect the headers and cancel your
article if they violate the published criteria.  If you don't like these
rules, you may avoid the cancelbot by not posting in the sbay.* newsgroups.

Unresponsive repeat offenders may also be added to an auto-cancel list until
they agree to cooperate.  Repeat offenders may also be reported in the
news.admin.net-abuse.announce newsgroup if any Big 8 newsgroups are involved.

The rules also apply if you responded to an inappropriate article and
inadvertently used the same excessive newsgroup list.  You need to check the
newsgroups before posting because you're responsible for what you post.
However, if you were complaining about the article, be assured that it was
also automatically cancelled.

For more information about the sbay.* newsgroups and the cancelbot, see
   http://www.sbay.org/sbay-newsgroups.html
   http://www.sbay.org/sbay-news-policy.html

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> From: allisat@lglobal.com (Bob Allisat)
> Newsgroups:
ny.general,tnn.general,sbay.general,tor.general,trentu.general,stl.general,tx.general,ak.general,utah.general,cle.general,deceiver.general,fsu.general,mcs.general,ga.general,wi.general,dc.general,wa.general,boulder.general,va.general,balt.general,asu.general,vegas.general,earth.general
> Subject: Re: MISSING PERSON
> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 05:45:32 -0500
> Organization: <http://www.wtv.net/free/nolympics>
> Lines: 57
> Message-ID: <allisat-2306960545320001@voyager8.lglobal.com>
> References: <kpserv-2206961044560001@term2-22.vta.west.net>
<allisat-2206961919280001@voyager1.lglobal.com>
<dsprad-2206962327570001@dsprad.mindspring.com>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: voyager8.lglobal.com
> 
> I, Bob Allisat <allisat@lglobal.com> wrote:
> >         Is it just me or is anyone out there
> >         suspicious of these kind of articles?
> >         We are not snitches for the police or
> >         informants on our neighbours.
> >
> 
> dsprad@stservices.com (David B. Spradlin) replied:
> : Unless of course it was your loved one that was missing and you
> : were trying to find them.
> : 
> : The police are always the bad guys until someone robs your house
> : right. Get real, don't do anything illegal and you have nothing to
> : worry about.
> 
> 
>      Mr. Spradlin demonstrates the classical neocon
>      pratfall by imagining everyone to bo a criminal
>      who wishes to protect their privacy and safe-
>      gaurd simple, decent civil liberties. Like the
>      ability to move freely about *without* having
>      to inform anyone. Least of all the police. And
>      the same respect for our privacy must apply to
>      the rest of our very private lives.
> 
>      The police are absolutely necessary to keep
>      the peace and in unusual circumstances. And
>      totally unneccesary in our everyday social
>      and family life. What does Mr. Spradlin want?
>      Should we all have to carry identity cards
>      and report to police when/if we move? How about
>      arm tattoos of our Social Security Numbers?
> 
>      Why is it neoconservatives scream bloody murder
>      whenever governments try and control *any* aspect
>      of their businesses - and yet are so willing to
>      "unleash the police" into the most personal and
>      private affairs of free citizens? Maybe because
>      they realize that they have to control the people
>      and our behaviour in order to maximize their
>      already gross profits. And behaviour modification
>      is one of the most effective ways to do just that.
> 
>      I find the use of the Internet/Usenet as a huge
>      spying tool to be personally and politically
>      offensive. I am a law abiding, freedom loving
>      citizen and I will not have my employees snooping
>      about my private life with my tax dollars. We are
>      not criminals. We are their bosses - we pay the
>      salaries of the police, FBI, RCMP etc. Time to to
>      turn the tables and gain control of what passes for
>      government in these challenging times. Peace.
> 
>                      Bob Allisat
> 
> PO Box 191 Stn E Toronto ON CA M6H4E2       (416) 588-0670
> !! FLAME THE GAMES !!  <http://www.wtv.net/free/nolympics>
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