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"Fabrikant" <benny_patrick7@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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> Billy Graham has declared on numerous occasions, how he could not wait
> to see God and be with God.  If he is right that there is only one God
> and that everyone dead had to see God after death, here is some
> arithmetics.  At least 50 million people die every year, which means
> less than a second interval between deaths.  If God treats everybody
> equally, then Billy is up to disappointment: he will have less than
> second with God.  Is this something to wait whole life for?
>
> I have an even greater disappointment for him: there is no God and
> there has never been one.
>
> Fabrikant


Um, time is irrelevant convicted murder Fabrikant.
God may or may not exist. No proof that it does, no proof that it doesn't.
Same thing with Pi. Nobody has proved it is infinite, and nobody has prove 
it is not.
It's like divide by zero - undefined. Sorry , we just don't know.

But time really does not exist. It is a completely man made concept, and 
does not apply to the Universe.
Mathematics suggest everything is happening concurrently, and it's just our 
perception that is linear.

Hence assuming there is a God, it's very likely it resides outside of time 
and space.
Also the thesis is that God is Omnipresent and Omnipetant. He unlike you can 
converse with everybody at the same time.
If you add up all the dead people, that is quite a large number, but 
actually not that much larger than the number of people alive today.
If you think there were only 100 million people at the time of the Romans a 
billion in 1900 and almost 7 billion, it's clear to see in the last centure 
was a huge population explosion.

Of course religion is based on primative superstitions. We know this to be 
so, from history and anthropology.
Since the advent of science, there has been no evidence of a God. Doesn't 
mean there is no God.
Science can't define devide by zero, but it exists. Scientific evidence 
isn't always available.

I mean before air was a gas, it was a spirit. We still have air, only now we 
know it is a gas, and not a spirit.
God has been defined, only we take no note. God is the earth quake, God is 
the lightening, God is the Volcano, God is the Tidal wave, God is the 
Drought, God is the bounty. That exists. Only it has been defined, such as 
air. We can look at primative people, who have not changed in thousands of 
years, long before the Bible, and we can see how nature is filled with 
spirits, good and bad. And as a civiliation emerges, integration takes 
place, like Zues the King of Gods, with these powers, and this God with that 
power. Then finally all the Gods were merged, into something that can't be 
symbolized, is pure conceptulaization. This is all religion is. But it has 
given birth to the idea of a God. People believe it, because it gives them 
immortality. Take it away and all they have left is their life of misery and 
woe.

What power that would be would take that away from the masses? They would be 
impossible to control, if there was not a utopia wainting for them, as long 
as they do as they are told. Do you think people would sit starving while 
fat people gorged themselves on their riches, if there was no utopia after 
they lived through a life of misery and suffering? No they would attack 
those with great wealth and take it - to eat. And there woul be no burning 
in hell for such sins, would there? That is the origins of religion and the 
reasons why it is allowed to remain. It appeases the masses, just like 
sports and entertainment does.

Still, the fact that religion's origins and growth can be plotted, and you 
can say, well it's just Lightening, not Zeus pissed off, yet still the 
concept is right, there are forces in the Universe and beyond our 
comprehension. We are on the outside looking back. We don't know if the idea 
is actually based on an insight of genius or not. Many ideas have come into 
being, and it may take centuries before they are proven. Take flight for 
instance.
We know the greeks have the idea back then. Wings of wax, too close to the 
sun, fell to their deaths. Da Vinci had drawings of what were infact flying 
machines, and I believe he designed the first helicopter. The Chinese were 
flying huge kites, taking men up into the air to observe troop movements 
over 1,000 years ago. But somehow the Wright Brothers get the credit for 
proving that idea flies! Now flying is a part of everyday life.
My point is for thosands of years the idea of flight existed, as the idea of 
God has existed. But it is only recently somebody could prove man can fly.

Perhaps in time someone will be able to prove God exists. But currently the 
evidence is that God does not exist and religion is just sophisticated 
superstition, whose evolution can be charted from the most primative to the 
sophistiacted, like the Roman Catholic Church, for instance.

Also nobdy has defined human life. We are certainly dofferent than animals. 
Ever see a catapillar metaphorph into a butterfly?
It is plausable that our bodies are just caccons for the soul, that grows 
into something else, perhaps something without physicality?

I am inclided to beleive in God, but more inclided to beleive God is 
humanity.
We create life. What we imagine we will into existence. All I know is that 
all the evidence there is - God points to man.
And since we really don't know what we are ourselves, we very well may be 
greater than ourselves, and still connected to those that have left.

It is really all still undefined, and as someone who claims to have an 
academic/scientific background, how can you be so neglegent as to proclaim 
something undefined does not exist? That is like saying you can't devide by 
zero. Of course you can. It's just means you won't know how to get to the 
answer. It certainly doesn't mean you have found the answer.

I guess a brain does rot and atrophe in prison convicted murderer Fabrikant!