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"Better Defender" <bd@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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> I've read your posting and it looks like you know everything. Ok, let's go
> into some detail:

Well I know very little, but compared to you, I do know everything.

>
>>Actually most the cost is for the computer system that doesn't work. The
> government is not fair and open when >assigning computer contracts or 
> jobs.
>
> Give us more details. How do you know what the money was spent on? Give us
> your sources. Educate us. Give us the name of the company.

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/02/13/canada/gunregistry_rdi040213
A large part of the $2 billion expense is a computer system that's supposed 
to track registered guns, according to one document. Officials initially 
estimated it would cost about $1 million. Expenses now hover close to $750 
million and the electronic system is still not fully operational.
>
>>They spend as much of computer systems as the private sector, but they 
>>only
> award contracts to a very few >companies.
>
> Could you give us names of those companies or you don't know what you're
> talking about? Could it be that those companies are owned by friends of
> Liberals?

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/guns105.htm
Yes oh ignorant and uneducated one!

EDS - Perhaps the largest computerconsulting company on the Globe - based in 
Texas you know.
But they got fired after spending $227 million and then they hired a 
Canadian giant CGI and BDP for another $300 million.
Already, and this is not new news, they had spent over $500 milliojn 
dollars, and had nothing to show for it.
Group action is one of the comapnies being investiagted in the Gomery 
inquiry and they defrauded the government for 2 million in fake billings.
EDS is certainly NOT liberal, they are not even Democratic or Republican - 
they are Parriot, you know the multi-billionaire who owns EDS and took a 
shot at the presidency, funding his own campaign - and lost?

Lets see what some companies who know way the fuck more than you or me had 
to say about the disaster?

PricewaterhouseCoopers - May 1999

Page 00112 - "Our assessment identified IT systems issues that are causing 
or contributing to processing and backlogs or inefficiencies and highlighted 
issues may preclude the optimal operation of the Canadian Firearms Program."



PricewaterhouseCoopers - May 2000

Page 000276 - "The impact of the implementation of Release 3 is well 
documented.  The operation almost stopped in its tracks for a period of 
weeks while problem tickets were resolved, workarounds were developed and 
the unforeseen impact on performance was dealt with.  Release 4 is larger 
and more complex, with major changes in functionality."



CGI Group - March 2000

Page 000177 - "The workstations are experiencing high processor, memory and 
disk access utilization.  This is judged to be the result of the application 
creating an excessive number of Powerbuilder objects.  Fundamentally, there 
is too much redundant data being transmitted across the network."



Strategic Relationships Sourcing Inc. October 2000

Page 000355 - "System on 4th rewrite - development & maintenance exceeds 
industry norms by at least 200%."



These are just a few of 400 such opinions given about how bad the system 
is/was and still is!




>>Often they are sold infrastucture that they don't need, or is not scaled 
>>to
> the project, then it all has to be >scrapped and built again.

> Suppose you bring your car in for repairs. They worked several days, 
> didn't
> repair and want you to pay. Would you pay? I bet no.

Suppose superman was real, please accept my statement, so I can go on about 
the effects of kryptonite.
There is legislation that covers repairs. And guess what dingwall? If you 
authorize the $1,000 and don't pay, then they can keep your car and sell it 
for costs, and sue you for the balance, cuz your car has to be a shitbox.


> You get an estimation for repair. Suppose it was 100 bucks, repairs are
> finished and they charge you $1000. Would you pay? I bet no. Because the
> estimation is the document saying that this is the maximum they can 
> charge.

Yes Dingwall, but there is no legislation covering the government or 
protecting it. It's buyer beware.
And it's not like these companies didn't get authorization to do additional 
work.
It's like they have a budget,. they are doing a project, and they are 
running out of money to complete it, so they get more.
It's authorized by the ministry. Now I will agree with you, contracts should 
make the companies responsible for over-runs, much like the construction 
trade is held responsible for the costs of over-runs. But the fact is that 
they are not. I don't make the facts, just observe them.
Anyways, your analogy is flawed, your premise is wrong.


> Now, if the government deliberately signed the contract which allows
> overcharges and in the case of firearm registry, the overcharge was 1000
> times more. This is called stealing. If you don't get it, this is too 
> bloody
> bad.

No, this is called incompetent mis-management, lack of controls over the 
spending of public funds, inadaquate procurement processes and oversight by 
the Ministry of Justice, rather than say the CIO of the Canadian Government. 
Yeah, they do have one. Helen MacDonald. What the fuck was she doing?


>>But the waste there is in the process of awarding contracts to companies
> that are less than incompetant, they >know once the government is locked
> in,they can jjust keep jacking up the costs.
>
> For your information, firearm registry is not a big system, it is not even 
> a
> medium system, it is a lousy database with less than 10 million entries. 
> In
> contemporary scale, it is nothing. ONE personal computer is enough to keep
> it. One can use any standard software to manage the firearm registry
> (probably even access from Windows) with little or no additional
> programming. You obviously have no computer education.


You just flaunted your ignorance, by trying to demonstrate I might be. 
Wrong!
One database yes, but it has a few elements you completely dismissied.
One it just doesn't recond information about who owns what gun, but it 
tracks each firearm.
In otherwords it is not a static database as you claim, but a dynamic 
database.

You think it could be run on a PC? But think this is Canada. The 2nd largest 
country by land mass.
Think of everywhere that has to be connected to the one database. All of a 
sudden you have a requirement for a major network.
A PC would be overwhelmed by the requests. AS it is the code is shit and 
generates all kinds of power builder code that is not necessary.
But lets not get into specifics, just very generally you have shown, by your 
statement you have no understanding of computer processing, networking, 
scaling, or anything much. It's like a child's view of the world. Over 
simplified and flawed. Like a fairy tale!

>> So $700/hr is not excessive for a seasoned judge, who should earn more
> than a seasoned lawyer per hour.
>
> You made 2 mistakes here: Roy is not a judge, he is a lawyer so why should
> he be paid double of maximum rate. Your second mistake: a judge's salary 
> is
> much less than lawyers. Judge gets around $200,000 a year. Presuming he
> works 200 days, he gets $1000 per day, which translates into $125 an hour,
> about 1/3 of that of a lawyer. Why don't you educate us on how much Gomery
> makes? You know it all, don't you?

Actually, that was my mistake. I was reading the payout, and then the very 
next paragraph waas about Gomery. I assumed that the moeny Fabrikant was 
complaining about was Gomery. Who was a Judge. But taking your logic, he is 
not a judge, he is lead council, and as such should earn more, as he is 
coaching the legal team doing the prosecution. And if we are getting on to 
the fees of lawyers, for a high powered lawyer, $1500/hr is a deal.

>
>> Hey you hired a lawyer ...
>
> What the hell does that have to do with subject of the posting? You look 
> so
> lame spewing your hatred toward Fabrikant. Wake up you idiot, get a life
> man! Some of your postings are made at 1:00am and at 4am. It looks like 
> you
> are addicted. You need help, man.

My Hatred towards Fabrikant? Well you may like that a convicted incarcerated 
convict can scam his way onto the Internet and act like he was free, but I 
sure don't like it. There is actually a reason he does not have access to 
the Internet in prison. But his son loves to post his shit.

The only idiot I see in this post is you. You don't know fuck all. You don't 
know facts, and you don't know how things work. You have more than ampley 
demonstrated this truth. Ever dawn on you that perhaps I don't work regular 
hours like you? Your comment is about as stupid as me taking issue that you 
post at 10:am? What don't you work? Get a life? I mean isn't that only idiot 
speak?

You have been weighed. You have been measured. And you have been found to be 
lacking in every regard.
I mean you can't argue your way out of a wet paper bag. Tell you what, come 
back once you have graduated grade school.
We'll chat then. Until then you have a lot to learn, just to know as little 
as me.