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Tim Campbell wrote:
 > ...
> We think this is a better way to go, and as people become more aware of
> where their food comes from they will care," says Chipotle president,
> Steve Ells. Hopefully, Steve can clue in his parent CEO at McDonald's
> on some of the finer points of animal welfare.

McDonald's has arguably done more to promote animal welfare than
any other entity -- their standards may not be particularly high,
but they've required bigger and more comforable prisons for chickens,
cattle, hogs, etc.  and humane slaughtering methods.  Temple Grandin
has consulted with them, IIRC.

Chipotle's pork comes from Niman Ranch, and interestingly enough is
cooked sous vide.

Michael Sierchio  <kudzu-usenet2@tenebras.com> wrote:

>McDonald's has arguably done more to promote animal welfare than
>any other entity -- their standards may not be particularly high,
>but they've required bigger and more comforable prisons for chickens,
>cattle, hogs, etc.  and humane slaughtering methods.

I agree.

>Chipotle's pork comes from Niman Ranch, and interestingly enough is
>cooked sous vide.

Yes, some of the posts upthread suggested Chipotle has 
just recently started using free range products, which is
not the case -- they've always used them, nor has this
been any sort of secret.  

I'm surprised to hear their pork is cooked sous vide, because I
have found it to be on the tough side rather than tender.

Steve

Steve Pope wrote:

>
> Yes, some of the posts upthread suggested Chipotle has
> just recently started using free range products, which is
> not the case -- they've always used them, nor has this
> been any sort of secret.

I think they are just pointing out that "McDonald's/Chipotle" has not
overtly promoted this fact...

Tim Campbell <timcall@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Steve Pope wrote:

>> Yes, some of the posts upthread suggested Chipotle has
>> just recently started using free range products, which is
>> not the case -- they've always used them, nor has this
>> been any sort of secret.

>I think they are just pointing out that "McDonald's/Chipotle" has not
>overtly promoted this fact...

I don't know what you mean.  Chipotle has been on the
Niman Ranch website from the start.  Same as any other
restaurant that uses Niman products.

Also for many years McDonald's was merely an investor 
in Chipotle, not a majority owner -- if the latter is
true (I'm not sure it is) that is relatively recent.

Steve

"Michael Sierchio" <kudzu-usenet2@tenebras.com> wrote in message

> Chipotle's pork comes from Niman Ranch, and interestingly enough is
> cooked sous vide.

Yet another example that it's the archer and not the arrow....Chipotle sold 
me the worse burrito I've ever had.  Yes, that includes Taco Bell.

Ciccio 

Ciccio wrote:
> "Michael Sierchio" <kudzu-usenet2@tenebras.com> wrote in message
>
> > Chipotle's pork comes from Niman Ranch, and interestingly enough is
> > cooked sous vide.
>
> Yet another example that it's the archer and not the arrow....Chipotle sold
> me the worse burrito I've ever had.  Yes, that includes Taco Bell.

Sad to say, I have to agree. When Chipotle's first opened here in
Minnesota, the quality and quantity of the food was fantastic. I could
barely finish a steak burrito, and the steak was like butter.

Then, overnight, the prices went up, the portions went way down, and
the meat could hardly be chewed, let alone eaten. Sure enough, I read
in the business section that McD's had just bought the chain. Since I
loved the place so much at first, I gave it two (yes, what a dumbass)
more chances. I will never go back.

Steve Pope wrote:
> Tim Campbell <timcall@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Steve Pope wrote:
> 
> 
>>>Yes, some of the posts upthread suggested Chipotle has
>>>just recently started using free range products, which is
>>>not the case -- they've always used them, nor has this
>>>been any sort of secret.
> 
> 
>>I think they are just pointing out that "McDonald's/Chipotle" has not
>>overtly promoted this fact...
> 
> 
> I don't know what you mean.  Chipotle has been on the
> Niman Ranch website from the start.  Same as any other
> restaurant that uses Niman products.
> 
> Also for many years McDonald's was merely an investor 
> in Chipotle, not a majority owner -- if the latter is
> true (I'm not sure it is) that is relatively recent.
> 
> Steve
> 

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/business/article/0,1299,DRMN_4_4105788,00.html

In 1993, Steve Ells came home to Denver, a classically trained French 
chef with two years of upscale experience at a chic San Francisco eatery.

He figured he'd open a burrito joint modeled after the ones he loved in 
the Bay Area, then use it to finance a "real" restaurant.

Instead, Chipotle became more and more real. This week, the chain's 
majority owner, McDonald's, said it will spin off the 460-restaurant 
company with an IPO early next year, retaining a majority interest.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/business/article/0,1299,DRMN_4_4099531,00.html

The burger chain began buying stock in privately held Chipotle in 1999 
and eventually acquired about 90 percent of the company.

J. Wellington Wimpy wrote:
> Ciccio wrote:
> 
>>"Michael Sierchio" <kudzu-usenet2@tenebras.com> wrote in message
>>
>>
>>>Chipotle's pork comes from Niman Ranch, and interestingly enough is
>>>cooked sous vide.
>>
>>Yet another example that it's the archer and not the arrow....Chipotle sold
>>me the worse burrito I've ever had.  Yes, that includes Taco Bell.
> 
> 
> Sad to say, I have to agree. When Chipotle's first opened here in
> Minnesota, the quality and quantity of the food was fantastic. I could
> barely finish a steak burrito, and the steak was like butter.
> 
> Then, overnight, the prices went up, the portions went way down, and
> the meat could hardly be chewed, let alone eaten. Sure enough, I read
> in the business section that McD's had just bought the chain. Since I
> loved the place so much at first, I gave it two (yes, what a dumbass)
> more chances. I will never go back.
> 

So you'll be a dumbass at a place _without_ naturallly raised meat?

I hear Jack in the Box is in trouble, maybe you could save their bottom 
line...

Ciccio wrote:

> Yet another example that it's the archer and not the arrow....Chipotle sold
> me the worse burrito I've ever had.  Yes, that includes Taco Bell.

I ate at 2 Taco Bells several years ago, several months
and many miles apart, and both times there was hair in 
my food.

<chickyraptor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1128362529.567444.222790@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Ciccio wrote:
>
>> Yet another example that it's the archer and not the arrow....Chipotle 
>> sold
>> me the worse burrito I've ever had.  Yes, that includes Taco Bell.
>
> I ate at 2 Taco Bells several years ago, several months
> and many miles apart, and both times there was hair in
> my food.

I have not eaten at a Taco Bell for some years.  If it hasn't changed, then 
I'd say even with a hair it still beats Chipotle...which ain't saying much 
at all.

Ciccio 

J. Wellington Wimpy wrote:

> Then, overnight, the prices went up, the portions went way down, and
> the meat could hardly be chewed, let alone eaten. Sure enough, I read
> in the business section that McD's had just bought the chain. Since I
> loved the place so much at first, I gave it two (yes, what a dumbass)
> more chances. I will never go back.

There's a Chipotle near me, it replaced a Boston Market. We ate there 
once a couple of years ago, and it was unexceptional. For fast-food 
chain owned faux-Mexican, Baja Fresh does a better job, and it's also 
less expensive.

chickyraptor@hotmail.com wrote:
> Ciccio wrote:
> 
> 
>>Yet another example that it's the archer and not the arrow....Chipotle sold
>>me the worse burrito I've ever had.  Yes, that includes Taco Bell.
> 
> 
> I ate at 2 Taco Bells several years ago, several months
> and many miles apart, and both times there was hair in 
> my food.
> 

Stop bragging

SMS wrote:
> J. Wellington Wimpy wrote:
>
> > Then, overnight, the prices went up, the portions went way down, and
> > the meat could hardly be chewed, let alone eaten. Sure enough, I read
> > in the business section that McD's had just bought the chain. Since I
> > loved the place so much at first, I gave it two (yes, what a dumbass)
> > more chances. I will never go back.
>
> There's a Chipotle near me, it replaced a Boston Market. We ate there
> once a couple of years ago, and it was unexceptional. For fast-food
> chain owned faux-Mexican, Baja Fresh does a better job, and it's also
> less expensive.

How does it compare to Qdboa, which just started popping up all over
here (and whose name I'm still unsure of how to pronounce)?

I think you have to ask specifically for "no hair" if you don't want it.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/31955

The Onion neglected to mention the sixth ingredient.

chickyraptor@hotmail.com wrote:
> Ciccio wrote:
> 
> 
>>Yet another example that it's the archer and not the arrow....Chipotle sold
>>me the worse burrito I've ever had.  Yes, that includes Taco Bell.
> 
> 
> I ate at 2 Taco Bells several years ago, several months
> and many miles apart, and both times there was hair in 
> my food.
> 

chickyraptor@hotmail.com wrote:
> Ciccio wrote:
> 
> 
>>Yet another example that it's the archer and not the arrow....Chipotle sold
>>me the worse burrito I've ever had.  Yes, that includes Taco Bell.
> 
> 
> I ate at 2 Taco Bells several years ago, several months
> and many miles apart, and both times there was hair in 
> my food.
> 
Yo quiero cabeza!

Pete from Boston wrote:
> SMS wrote:
> > J. Wellington Wimpy wrote:
> >
> > > Then, overnight, the prices went up, the portions went way down, and
> > > the meat could hardly be chewed, let alone eaten. Sure enough, I read
> > > in the business section that McD's had just bought the chain. Since I
> > > loved the place so much at first, I gave it two (yes, what a dumbass)
> > > more chances. I will never go back.
> >
> > There's a Chipotle near me, it replaced a Boston Market. We ate there
> > once a couple of years ago, and it was unexceptional. For fast-food
> > chain owned faux-Mexican, Baja Fresh does a better job, and it's also
> > less expensive.
>
> How does it compare to Qdboa, which just started popping up all over
> here (and whose name I'm still unsure of how to pronounce)?

Sorry, that's Qdoba.

In article <1128442106.905219.242830@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
 "Pete from Boston" <masspete@my-deja.com> wrote:

> Pete from Boston wrote:

> > How does it compare to Qdboa, which just started popping up all over
> > here (and whose name I'm still unsure of how to pronounce)?
> 
> Sorry, that's Qdoba.

I've not heard of it.  It appears to be a chain.

http://qdoba.com/

marcella

I just ate at the Comm Ave one near Nickerson Field and it's not your
father's Taco Bell. It's very popular with our office staff. Everything
is cooked and assembled to order, and there are lots of options, so you
kind of make your own. Plus most of the ingredients are healthy! Costs
more than Taco Bell and tastes better. Haven't heard any hairy/bad
reports about this place so far.

Ginny
Pete from Boston wrote:
> SMS wrote:
> > J. Wellington Wimpy wrote:
> >
> > > Then, overnight, the prices went up, the portions went way down, and
> > > the meat could hardly be chewed, let alone eaten. Sure enough, I read
> > > in the business section that McD's had just bought the chain. Since I
> > > loved the place so much at first, I gave it two (yes, what a dumbass)
> > > more chances. I will never go back.
> >
> > There's a Chipotle near me, it replaced a Boston Market. We ate there
> > once a couple of years ago, and it was unexceptional. For fast-food
> > chain owned faux-Mexican, Baja Fresh does a better job, and it's also
> > less expensive.
>
> How does it compare to Qdboa, which just started popping up all over
> here (and whose name I'm still unsure of how to pronounce)?

ginny wrote:
> I just ate at the Comm Ave one near Nickerson Field and it's not your
> father's Taco Bell. It's very popular with our office staff. Everything
> is cooked and assembled to order, and there are lots of options, so you
> kind of make your own. Plus most of the ingredients are healthy! Costs
> more than Taco Bell and tastes better. Haven't heard any hairy/bad
> reports about this place so far.

Qdoba or Chipotle?

Hi Pete,

Qdoba near BU. Where in Boston is a Chipolte's

Ginny
Pete from Boston wrote:
> ginny wrote:
> > I just ate at the Comm Ave one near Nickerson Field and it's not your
> > father's Taco Bell. It's very popular with our office staff. Everything
> > is cooked and assembled to order, and there are lots of options, so you
> > kind of make your own. Plus most of the ingredients are healthy! Costs
> > more than Taco Bell and tastes better. Haven't heard any hairy/bad
> > reports about this place so far.
> 
> Qdoba or Chipotle?

In article <1128450361.679938.292490@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
Pete from Boston <masspete@my-deja.com> wrote:

> ginny wrote:
> > I just ate at the Comm Ave one near Nickerson Field and it's not your
> > father's Taco Bell. It's very popular with our office staff. Everything
> > is cooked and assembled to order, and there are lots of options, so you
> > kind of make your own. Plus most of the ingredients are healthy! Costs
> > more than Taco Bell and tastes better. Haven't heard any hairy/bad
> > reports about this place so far.
> 
> Qdoba or Chipotle?

Taco Bell. She said "it's not your father's Taco Bell," so she was
suggesting how this Taco Bell differs are our fathers' Taco Bells.

(Except Taco Bell didn't exist when my father was young.)


--Tim May

jes.t.er@hexduxhmp.org wrote:
> In ne.food ginny <ginnyhw@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>I just ate at the Comm Ave one near Nickerson Field and it's not your
>>father's Taco Bell. It's very popular with our office staff. Everything
> 
> Please don't top post.  It becomes difficult to understand what
> 'one' means in the first sentence if you post improperly.

Even more difficult is the absence of localemation. I've never heard of 
Nickerson Field and have no idea what a Comm Ave is.
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ginny wrote:
> Hi Pete,
>
> Qdoba near BU. Where in Boston is a Chipolte's
>
> Ginny

Well, I guess not on Comm Ave by BU. Apparently not anywhere, yet:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/050930/1172120.html?.v=1

People should complain, if at all, about top posting only when they are 
communicating with somebody via e-mail.

"Larry Weissman" <larry.weissman@xxxhp.com> wrote in message 
news:SPS0f.13919$6W7.13609@news.cpqcorp.net...
> Just to be controversial - I strongly prefer top posting.  When I'm 
> reading
> through a series of replies, I hate to have to scroll each reply down to 
> the
> bottom to see the response.

On a newsgroup just read the post or don't read it and shut the fuck up 
about it.

Ciccio 

Just to be controversial - I strongly prefer top posting.  When I'm reading
through a series of replies, I hate to have to scroll each reply down to the
bottom to see the response.


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> In ne.food ginny <ginnyhw@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Qdoba near BU. Where in Boston is a Chipolte's
>
> Please don't top post.

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In article <1128509486.97e69c2a787053c2acf8777f80436cc3@teranews>,
Icono Clast  <"IClast at SFbay Net"> wrote:
>jes.t.er@hexduxhmp.org wrote:
>> In ne.food ginny <ginnyhw@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>I just ate at the Comm Ave one near Nickerson Field and it's not your
>>>father's Taco Bell. It's very popular with our office staff. Everything
>> 
>> Please don't top post.  It becomes difficult to understand what
>> 'one' means in the first sentence if you post improperly.
>
>Even more difficult is the absence of localemation. I've never heard of 
>Nickerson Field and have no idea what a Comm Ave is.

Perhaps you remember it as Braves Field.

Posters to this thread should be aware that it's going to groups in NYC,
New England, Pittburgh, and the SF Bay Area.  Saying "here" or
mentioning a street name isn't helpful.

Phil G.

Ciccio <francescod@comcast.net> writes in article %:
> People should complain, if at all, about top posting only when they are 
> communicating with somebody via e-mail.
> 
> "Larry Weissman" <larry.weissman@xxxhp.com> wrote in message 
> news:SPS0f.13919$6W7.13609@news.cpqcorp.net...
> > Just to be controversial - I strongly prefer top posting.  When I'm 
> > reading
> > through a series of replies, I hate to have to scroll each reply down to 
> > the
> > bottom to see the response.
> 
> On a newsgroup just read the post or don't read it and shut the fuck up 
> about it.

I love these people that don't take their own advice.

-- 
  Go to http://MarcDashevsky.com to send me e-mail.
  (Reunion -- http://ClassicalHigh70.com)

"Marc Dashevsky" <usenet@MarcDashevsky.com> wrote in message 
news:MPG.1dadd165834290e69897fd@news.supernews.com...
> Ciccio <francescod@comcast.net> writes in article %:
>> People should complain, if at all, about top posting only when they are
>> communicating with somebody via e-mail.
>>
>> "Larry Weissman" <larry.weissman@xxxhp.com> wrote in message
>> news:SPS0f.13919$6W7.13609@news.cpqcorp.net...
>> > Just to be controversial - I strongly prefer top posting.  When I'm
>> > reading
>> > through a series of replies, I hate to have to scroll each reply down 
>> > to
>> > the
>> > bottom to see the response.
>>
>> On a newsgroup just read the post or don't read it and shut the fuck up
>> about it.
>
> I love these people that don't take their own advice.

Oh yeah, I forgot, they don't have irony back East.

Ciccio 

<jes.t.er@hexduxhmp.org> wrote in message 
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> There are RFCs regarding this.

Here...pull my finger.

Ciccio 

Pete from Boston wrote:

>
> How does it compare to Qdboa, which just started popping up all over
> here (and whose name I'm still unsure of how to pronounce)?
>

Pronounced "ka-doba" and owned by Jack-in-the-Box...I think it's better
than Chipotle.

Tim Campbell wrote:
> Pete from Boston wrote:
>
> >
> > How does it compare to Qdboa, which just started popping up all over
> > here (and whose name I'm still unsure of how to pronounce)?
> >
>
> Pronounced "ka-doba" and owned by Jack-in-the-Box...I think it's better
> than Chipotle.

Actually, since posting that I came across this job posting, with the
requirement "You must be able to pronounce our name, Qdoba, correctly!!
(Here's a hint...Cue-Doe-Ba)":

http://www.jobnewslouisville.com/job/J633K639M627I630.aspx

Phil Gustafson wrote:
> Icono Clast wrote:
>> the absence of localemation. I've never heard of Nickerson Field
>> and have no idea what a Comm Ave is.
> 
> Perhaps you remember it as Braves Field.

Nope. Never heard of it.

> Posters to this thread should be aware that it's going to groups in
> NYC, New England, Pittburgh, and the SF Bay Area. Saying "here" or 
> mentioning a street name isn't helpful.

Aha! That I hadn't noticed.

I still don't know neither what nor where Nickerson/Braves Field is nor 
what a Comm Ave is.
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jes.t.er@hexduxhmp.org wrote:
> However, the "me first"
> lazy unwashed masses started invading the 'net about 10 years ago and well,
> now we see what we got.

a.) new blood

b. ) more diverse participants and readers

c.) less control

Which bothers you more?

Tim Campbell wrote:
> Pete from Boston wrote:
> 
> 
>>How does it compare to Qdboa, which just started popping up all over
>>here (and whose name I'm still unsure of how to pronounce)?
>>
> 
> 
> Pronounced "ka-doba" and owned by Jack-in-the-Box...I think it's better
> than Chipotle.

Their pesto burrito is tops.

Quesadillas so/so.

Chips and Guac are uniformly good.

directory wrote:
> Tim Campbell wrote:
>> Pronounced "ka-doba" and owned by Jack-in-the-Box...I think it's better
>> than Chipotle.
> 
> Their pesto burrito is tops.

Say no more.

-e

Eric wrote:
> directory wrote:
> 
>> Tim Campbell wrote:
>>
>>> Pronounced "ka-doba" and owned by Jack-in-the-Box...I think it's better
>>> than Chipotle.
>>
>>
>> Their pesto burrito is tops.
> 
> 
> Say no more.
> 
> -e

Though I will note the queseadillas are at best average.