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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:12:45 -0700, wrcowan1@hal-pc.org
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>Chris wrote:
>> <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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>>>Chris wrote:
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>>>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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>>>>>Chris wrote:
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>>>>>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>Obwon wrote:
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>>>>>>>"They won't let
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>>>>>>>>anyone in there. You have to be FEMA-certified and I am
>>>>>>>>not," he said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you have a clue why you need to be certified by FEMA?  It is so
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>> that
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>>>>>>>your actions are coordinated with others and that you understand the
>>>>>>>scope of tasks being dealt with.
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>>>>>>>>When a tragedy or disaster occurs in Arizona, trained,
>>>>>>>>skilled people are allowed to help without Federal
>>>>>>>>Emergency Management Agency certification, he said.
>>>>>>>>"But when a national disaster is in effect, federal
>>>>>>>>rules take over and FEMA would have to approve it,"
>>>>>>>>said Dudelston.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Once the storm has past, Federal agencies do get involved.  They do
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>> not
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>>>>>>>want everyone to rush down to give aid, it would create anarchy and
>>>>>>>dangerous situations.  That is the same that applies with state agency
>>>>>>>runned efforts.
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>>>>>>>>"It's kind of sad people are being turned away, the
>>>>>>>>minute they go into a federal situation, they just
>>>>>>>>can't get in there," he said. "The problem is when
>>>>>>>>something like this happens - when an area is declared
>>>>>>>>a national disaster - you can't go in there. They don't
>>>>>>>>know them (trained volunteers) from Adam, so they can't
>>>>>>>>let them in," he said of federal officials.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This statements is true of both Federal and State agencies.  To allow
>>>>>>>everyone who wants to provide relief efforts in to a disaster zone
>>>>>>>invites disaster and poses potential hazards for not only those being
>>>>>>>helped but to those who are doing the helping.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>These agencies have to impose control over the area so that relief
>>>>>>>efforts are coordinated and effective without putting the lives of
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>> those
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>>>>>>>helping in harms way.
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>>>>>>>MRC
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>>>>>>Yeah, great way to coordinate help, by denying it to anyone....well at
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>>>>least
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>>>>>>it was coordinated denial...kinda like the current administration...
>>>>>
>>>>>You have no clue as to what it takes to coordinate a relief operation do
>>>>>you or any type of operation involving personnel and supplies.
>>>>>
>>>>>Your vapid response is proof of your ignorance.
>>>>>
>>>>>MRC
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>>>>And your insistance to wait until everything is perfect before doing
>>>>anything is proof that you haven't got a clue. There are always problems
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>> in
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>>>>a relief effort, you solve them as they come up while still providing
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>> some
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>>>>kind of help, you don't wait on the sidelines hoping to get all your
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>> ducks
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>>>>in a row...it will never happen and you are just wasting time and lives
>>>>while trying. Don't be so stupid all of your life...
>>>>
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>>>No, I do not say wait until everything is perfect but you can not allow
>>>just every joe into the area to help.  There are state and federal
>>>agencies that can help and do it well.  If you look back on this
>>>situation this operation went well on the federal side of things when
>>>you compare it to other Cat 4 or 5 hurricanes.  The Feds responded
>>>quicker when compared to Hugo and Andrew (other cat 4 and 5 hurricanes).
>>>  The Red Cross counld not do anything since they were blocked by State
>>>officials (i,e. troopers snd Guardsmen)
>>>
>>>MRC
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>> When people are dying you let in the devil himself if need be to ease their
>> suffering. FUCK protocol and start saving lives you heartless bastard....
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>It is not protocol, it is using time, material and personnel wisely to 
>effectively help the most people.  Your emotional response shows that 
>you would be a walking disaster if allowed to do relief operations.
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>MRC

  So then, you really do believe that it's wiser to let
people dehydrate and starve while you sit with your
pencil and paper,  and try to figure out what the most
efficient/effective way to feed them will be.  Well,
by the time you get things in an order,  satisfactory
only to yourself,  there will be less of a need for
that food and water,  you see,  a whole lot of people
you intend to serve will be dead.  What a loon.

   You let that food in!  No matter what your visions
of orderly/effciency are,  it's not going to work as
you plan.  Professionals know that,  is why they only
do the most superficial planning,  get the food into
the area and let the people on the ground do as they
see fit.  

  There were still people who were mobile in there.
People with boats who knew where people in dire need
were and could get to them,  having come from these
areas themselves.  There were people looking to ferry
supplies to the stadium, for instance,  but they
couldn't because they simply weren't let in.

  Obwon
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