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"Obwon" <obllOob@att.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:12:45 -0700, wrcowan1@hal-pc.org
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Chris wrote:
> >> <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> >> news:43265b44$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Chris wrote:
> >>>
> >>>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> >>>>news:4323ad0d$0$10631$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Chris wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:43226971$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Obwon wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"They won't let
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>anyone in there. You have to be FEMA-certified and I am
> >>>>>>>>not," he said.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Do you have a clue why you need to be certified by FEMA?  It is so
> >>
> >> that
> >>
> >>>>>>>your actions are coordinated with others and that you understand
the
> >>>>>>>scope of tasks being dealt with.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>When a tragedy or disaster occurs in Arizona, trained,
> >>>>>>>>skilled people are allowed to help without Federal
> >>>>>>>>Emergency Management Agency certification, he said.
> >>>>>>>>"But when a national disaster is in effect, federal
> >>>>>>>>rules take over and FEMA would have to approve it,"
> >>>>>>>>said Dudelston.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Once the storm has past, Federal agencies do get involved.  They do
> >>
> >> not
> >>
> >>>>>>>want everyone to rush down to give aid, it would create anarchy and
> >>>>>>>dangerous situations.  That is the same that applies with state
agency
> >>>>>>>runned efforts.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>"It's kind of sad people are being turned away, the
> >>>>>>>>minute they go into a federal situation, they just
> >>>>>>>>can't get in there," he said. "The problem is when
> >>>>>>>>something like this happens - when an area is declared
> >>>>>>>>a national disaster - you can't go in there. They don't
> >>>>>>>>know them (trained volunteers) from Adam, so they can't
> >>>>>>>>let them in," he said of federal officials.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>This statements is true of both Federal and State agencies.  To
allow
> >>>>>>>everyone who wants to provide relief efforts in to a disaster zone
> >>>>>>>invites disaster and poses potential hazards for not only those
being
> >>>>>>>helped but to those who are doing the helping.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>These agencies have to impose control over the area so that relief
> >>>>>>>efforts are coordinated and effective without putting the lives of
> >>
> >> those
> >>
> >>>>>>>helping in harms way.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>MRC
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Yeah, great way to coordinate help, by denying it to anyone....well
at
> >>>>
> >>>>least
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>it was coordinated denial...kinda like the current administration...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>You have no clue as to what it takes to coordinate a relief operation
do
> >>>>>you or any type of operation involving personnel and supplies.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Your vapid response is proof of your ignorance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>MRC
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>And your insistance to wait until everything is perfect before doing
> >>>>anything is proof that you haven't got a clue. There are always
problems
> >>
> >> in
> >>
> >>>>a relief effort, you solve them as they come up while still providing
> >>
> >> some
> >>
> >>>>kind of help, you don't wait on the sidelines hoping to get all your
> >>
> >> ducks
> >>
> >>>>in a row...it will never happen and you are just wasting time and
lives
> >>>>while trying. Don't be so stupid all of your life...
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>No, I do not say wait until everything is perfect but you can not allow
> >>>just every joe into the area to help.  There are state and federal
> >>>agencies that can help and do it well.  If you look back on this
> >>>situation this operation went well on the federal side of things when
> >>>you compare it to other Cat 4 or 5 hurricanes.  The Feds responded
> >>>quicker when compared to Hugo and Andrew (other cat 4 and 5
hurricanes).
> >>>  The Red Cross counld not do anything since they were blocked by State
> >>>officials (i,e. troopers snd Guardsmen)
> >>>
> >>>MRC
> >>
> >>
> >> When people are dying you let in the devil himself if need be to ease
their
> >> suffering. FUCK protocol and start saving lives you heartless
bastard....
> >
> >
> >It is not protocol, it is using time, material and personnel wisely to
> >effectively help the most people.  Your emotional response shows that
> >you would be a walking disaster if allowed to do relief operations.
> >
> >MRC
>
>   So then, you really do believe that it's wiser to let
> people dehydrate and starve while you sit with your
> pencil and paper,  and try to figure out what the most
> efficient/effective way to feed them will be.  Well,
> by the time you get things in an order,  satisfactory
> only to yourself,  there will be less of a need for
> that food and water,  you see,  a whole lot of people
> you intend to serve will be dead.  What a loon.
>
>    You let that food in!  No matter what your visions
> of orderly/effciency are,  it's not going to work as
> you plan.  Professionals know that,  is why they only
> do the most superficial planning,  get the food into
> the area and let the people on the ground do as they
> see fit.
>
>   There were still people who were mobile in there.
> People with boats who knew where people in dire need
> were and could get to them,  having come from these
> areas themselves.  There were people looking to ferry
> supplies to the stadium, for instance,  but they
> couldn't because they simply weren't let in.


Don't confuse him with facts....it ruins his whole argument...

>
>   Obwon
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