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Chris wrote:
> <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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>>Chris wrote:
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>>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
>>>news:43265b18$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
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>>>>Chris wrote:
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>>>>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
>>>>>news:4323ad07$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
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>>>>>People were already crapping in the street.....a few thousand more
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> would
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>>>not
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>>>>>have made much of a difference....or they might even have had a few
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>>>porta
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>>>>>potties to go with the relief workers....nah, they wouldn't have
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> thought
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>>>of
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>>>>>that would they.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah it would.  Clearly you do not know what you are talking about.  IF
>>>>you did that then you are definately asking for major outbraks of
>>>>disease.  To get the porta potties in you have to have a way to do so
>>>>and a way to maintain them.
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>>>
>>>You are being purposefully obtuse again. If they can get military trucks
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> in
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>>>there then they can get other support vehicles in there....smarten up
>>>sparky.
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>>Your military trucks are not like the average civillian vehicle.  They
>>can pass through water situations that civilian vehicles can not.  If
>>you ask why can not the military bring them, perhaps they had better
>>things to do with the assests they had.
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> How were the newspeople getting in there? They weren't driving military
> vehicles....
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Most of the newspeople were there already.  For those who came later, it 
not aproblem when you are one lone vehicle trying to pick its way 
through but it is an entirely different story when you are trying to get 
a convoy in.  The Convoy does not start in until a suitable route has 
been scouted.  That takes time.

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>>>>>As for communications.....how the hell do you think they communicate in
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>>>Iraq
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>>>>>when they are in battle....sattelite phones perhaps...or maybe they
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> have
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>>>>>their own communications setups that travel with them....geez are you
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>>>being
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>>>>>purposefully obtuse or do you just not know anything?
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>>>>
>>>>You are comparing Applesand Oranges.  Remeber the gear the military is
>>>>way beter than the state and local officials have.  Secondly the troops
>>>>train with theirs more often and know how to make on hte spot repairs
>>>>whereas the state and local officials are generally clueless on how they
>>>>operate.
>>>>
>>>>You apparently do not understand how the real world operates.  Things do
>>>>not happen as well as you htink they should.  You forget that military
>>>>operates the same way as state and local officials thereforethey shuld
>>>>be able to communicate.  Do you even have a clue how many times a day
>>>>communications go out with police departmetns across this nation?
>>>>
>>>>MRC
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>>>And do you have any clue about how many times they don't go out compared
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> to
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>>>the times they do. No system is perfect, but they do operate quite well
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> most
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>>>of the time. No one is saying that they would be perfect, but they would
>>>have worked well enough to get some aid to those people trapped in
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> there.
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>>>Once again you are waiting for the perfect plan to be in place before
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> doing
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>>>anything....which is irresponsible and bullshit at it's worst.
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>>>
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>>No, I am not waiting for the perfect plan.  They already had a good plan
>>in place, they just did not follow it.  Why did civilian equipment go
>>out?  Probably a multitude of reasons.  But most stem from the fact that
>>they were not prepared.  It also has to do with key points in the system
>>were not adequately protected.
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> 
> And the lack of government preparedness is what we are talking about....
> Federal as well as others...
>

The state is the primary responder.  It was their rodeo to host.  The 
Federal Government did what it could.  The Red Cross was there and they 
are the federal governments primary responders.  Sure there were 
problems but you need to ask, if the State ensured that all of the 
emergency plans were followed what would the outcome look like?  When 
the First string (state and local) screw ups, the Second string (Feds) 
is put into an impossible situation to cleaqn up the mess created due to 
the poor job of the first string.


> 
>>Remeber that hey had thousands of buses but faile to use them.  If they
>>had they could have gotten more people out and condition in those
>>shelter would not have been so bad.
>>
>>MRC
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> 
> And who was going to drive those buses when most of the drivers had already
> evacuated? Were you going to go down there and drive them out?


Metro offered to send Buses and Drivers to New Orleans before the Storm 
came.  If the local official would have headed and follow their own 
plan, those drivers would have been called up before the mass 
evacuations took place.  Beside, I believe that there was one kid who 
took a bus and brought people to Houston.  (I doubt he had bus driving 
training.  An if they needed drivers I would have volunteered.

MRC