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<wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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> Chris wrote:
> > <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> > news:4328e13a$0$10628$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
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> >>
> >>Chris wrote:
> >>
> >>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> >>>news:43265b18$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Chris wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:4323ad07$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>People were already crapping in the street.....a few thousand more
> >
> > would
> >
> >>>not
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>have made much of a difference....or they might even have had a few
> >>>
> >>>porta
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>potties to go with the relief workers....nah, they wouldn't have
> >
> > thought
> >
> >>>of
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>that would they.
> >>>>
> >>>>Yeah it would.  Clearly you do not know what you are talking about.
IF
> >>>>you did that then you are definately asking for major outbraks of
> >>>>disease.  To get the porta potties in you have to have a way to do so
> >>>>and a way to maintain them.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>You are being purposefully obtuse again. If they can get military
trucks
> >
> > in
> >
> >>>there then they can get other support vehicles in there....smarten up
> >>>sparky.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Your military trucks are not like the average civillian vehicle.  They
> >>can pass through water situations that civilian vehicles can not.  If
> >>you ask why can not the military bring them, perhaps they had better
> >>things to do with the assests they had.
> >
> >
> >
> > How were the newspeople getting in there? They weren't driving military
> > vehicles....
> >
>
> Most of the newspeople were there already.  For those who came later, it
> not aproblem when you are one lone vehicle trying to pick its way
> through but it is an entirely different story when you are trying to get
> a convoy in.  The Convoy does not start in until a suitable route has
> been scouted.  That takes time.
>
> >
> >>
> >>>>>As for communications.....how the hell do you think they communicate
in
> >>>
> >>>Iraq
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>when they are in battle....sattelite phones perhaps...or maybe they
> >
> > have
> >
> >>>>>their own communications setups that travel with them....geez are you
> >>>
> >>>being
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>purposefully obtuse or do you just not know anything?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>You are comparing Applesand Oranges.  Remeber the gear the military is
> >>>>way beter than the state and local officials have.  Secondly the
troops
> >>>>train with theirs more often and know how to make on hte spot repairs
> >>>>whereas the state and local officials are generally clueless on how
they
> >>>>operate.
> >>>>
> >>>>You apparently do not understand how the real world operates.  Things
do
> >>>>not happen as well as you htink they should.  You forget that military
> >>>>operates the same way as state and local officials thereforethey shuld
> >>>>be able to communicate.  Do you even have a clue how many times a day
> >>>>communications go out with police departmetns across this nation?
> >>>>
> >>>>MRC
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>And do you have any clue about how many times they don't go out
compared
> >
> > to
> >
> >>>the times they do. No system is perfect, but they do operate quite well
> >
> > most
> >
> >>>of the time. No one is saying that they would be perfect, but they
would
> >>>have worked well enough to get some aid to those people trapped in
> >
> > there.
> >
> >>>Once again you are waiting for the perfect plan to be in place before
> >
> > doing
> >
> >>>anything....which is irresponsible and bullshit at it's worst.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>No, I am not waiting for the perfect plan.  They already had a good plan
> >>in place, they just did not follow it.  Why did civilian equipment go
> >>out?  Probably a multitude of reasons.  But most stem from the fact that
> >>they were not prepared.  It also has to do with key points in the system
> >>were not adequately protected.
> >
> >
> > And the lack of government preparedness is what we are talking about....
> > Federal as well as others...
> >
>
> The state is the primary responder.  It was their rodeo to host.  The
> Federal Government did what it could.  The Red Cross was there and they
> are the federal governments primary responders.  Sure there were
> problems but you need to ask, if the State ensured that all of the
> emergency plans were followed what would the outcome look like?  When
> the First string (state and local) screw ups, the Second string (Feds)
> is put into an impossible situation to cleaqn up the mess created due to
> the poor job of the first string.
>
>
> >
> >>Remeber that hey had thousands of buses but faile to use them.  If they
> >>had they could have gotten more people out and condition in those
> >>shelter would not have been so bad.
> >>
> >>MRC
> >
> >
> > And who was going to drive those buses when most of the drivers had
already
> > evacuated? Were you going to go down there and drive them out?
>
>
> Metro offered to send Buses and Drivers to New Orleans before the Storm
> came.  If the local official would have headed and follow their own
> plan, those drivers would have been called up before the mass
> evacuations took place.  Beside, I believe that there was one kid who
> took a bus and brought people to Houston.  (I doubt he had bus driving
> training.  An if they needed drivers I would have volunteered.
>
> MRC

It should be noted that the school buses apparently aren't owned by the city
but by a private company called Laidlaw which runs some 40,000 school buses
across the United States, as well as owning Greyhound. I was only able to
find this information, after lots of searching, in an article in the Chicago
Times. [6] Rabit 02:52, 2005 September 5 (UTC)

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