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<wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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> Chris wrote:
> > <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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> >>Chris wrote:
> >>
> >>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> >>>news:43265b44$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
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> >>>
> >>>>Chris wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:4323ad0d$0$10631$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Chris wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>news:43226971$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Obwon wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>"They won't let
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>anyone in there. You have to be FEMA-certified and I am
> >>>>>>>>>not," he said.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Do you have a clue why you need to be certified by FEMA?  It is so
> >>>
> >>>that
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>your actions are coordinated with others and that you understand
the
> >>>>>>>>scope of tasks being dealt with.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>When a tragedy or disaster occurs in Arizona, trained,
> >>>>>>>>>skilled people are allowed to help without Federal
> >>>>>>>>>Emergency Management Agency certification, he said.
> >>>>>>>>>"But when a national disaster is in effect, federal
> >>>>>>>>>rules take over and FEMA would have to approve it,"
> >>>>>>>>>said Dudelston.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Once the storm has past, Federal agencies do get involved.  They
do
> >>>
> >>>not
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>want everyone to rush down to give aid, it would create anarchy
and
> >>>>>>>>dangerous situations.  That is the same that applies with state
> >
> > agency
> >
> >>>>>>>>runned efforts.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>"It's kind of sad people are being turned away, the
> >>>>>>>>>minute they go into a federal situation, they just
> >>>>>>>>>can't get in there," he said. "The problem is when
> >>>>>>>>>something like this happens - when an area is declared
> >>>>>>>>>a national disaster - you can't go in there. They don't
> >>>>>>>>>know them (trained volunteers) from Adam, so they can't
> >>>>>>>>>let them in," he said of federal officials.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>This statements is true of both Federal and State agencies.  To
> >
> > allow
> >
> >>>>>>>>everyone who wants to provide relief efforts in to a disaster zone
> >>>>>>>>invites disaster and poses potential hazards for not only those
> >
> > being
> >
> >>>>>>>>helped but to those who are doing the helping.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>These agencies have to impose control over the area so that relief
> >>>>>>>>efforts are coordinated and effective without putting the lives of
> >>>
> >>>those
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>helping in harms way.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>MRC
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Yeah, great way to coordinate help, by denying it to anyone....well
> >
> > at
> >
> >>>>>least
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>it was coordinated denial...kinda like the current
administration...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>You have no clue as to what it takes to coordinate a relief
operation
> >
> > do
> >
> >>>>>>you or any type of operation involving personnel and supplies.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Your vapid response is proof of your ignorance.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>MRC
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>And your insistance to wait until everything is perfect before doing
> >>>>>anything is proof that you haven't got a clue. There are always
> >
> > problems
> >
> >>>in
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>a relief effort, you solve them as they come up while still providing
> >>>
> >>>some
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>kind of help, you don't wait on the sidelines hoping to get all your
> >>>
> >>>ducks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>in a row...it will never happen and you are just wasting time and
lives
> >>>>>while trying. Don't be so stupid all of your life...
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>No, I do not say wait until everything is perfect but you can not
allow
> >>>>just every joe into the area to help.  There are state and federal
> >>>>agencies that can help and do it well.  If you look back on this
> >>>>situation this operation went well on the federal side of things when
> >>>>you compare it to other Cat 4 or 5 hurricanes.  The Feds responded
> >>>>quicker when compared to Hugo and Andrew (other cat 4 and 5
hurricanes).
> >>>> The Red Cross counld not do anything since they were blocked by State
> >>>>officials (i,e. troopers snd Guardsmen)
> >>>>
> >>>>MRC
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>When people are dying you let in the devil himself if need be to ease
> >
> > their
> >
> >>>suffering. FUCK protocol and start saving lives you heartless
> >
> > bastard....
> >
> >>
> >>It is not protocol, it is using time, material and personnel wisely to
> >>effectively help the most people.  Your emotional response shows that
> >>you would be a walking disaster if allowed to do relief operations.
> >>
> >>MRC
> >
> >
> > And you lack of emotion when people are dying just shows that you are
just
> > like your stupid president with his lack of concern for anybody but his
> > cronies...
> >
>
>
> A lack of emotions is shown when one reacts without thinking.  If you
> can not see how just allowing anyone and everyone to do as they please
> without coordination can cause more misery and death, then sadly you do
> not care for those in need.  In order to care for people, you need
> emotion but you also need your mind acting with common sense.  As I have
> said before, if you do not act in a coordinated manner, supplies that
> people need are wasted but so are the efforts of those who are doing the
> rescuing.
>
> To be harsh, if I organized my personell and supplies, 100 people
> survive vs 5 people because of my delaying personnel in an area then so
> be it.  That is the type of decisions our leaders make everyday.

>
> MRC

A cool, calm, collected, and logical fascist enabler, isn't he?