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<wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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> Chris wrote:
> > "Obwon" <obllOob@att.net> wrote in message
> > news:ag0ji1pncctcuo9hdtujlv5m2b13um0u6b@4ax.com...
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> >>On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:12:45 -0700, wrcowan1@hal-pc.org
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Chris wrote:
> >>>
> >>>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> >>>>news:43265b44$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Chris wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:4323ad0d$0$10631$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Chris wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>news:43226971$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Obwon wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>"They won't let
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>anyone in there. You have to be FEMA-certified and I am
> >>>>>>>>>>not," he said.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Do you have a clue why you need to be certified by FEMA?  It is
so
> >>>>
> >>>>that
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>your actions are coordinated with others and that you understand
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>>>>>>>scope of tasks being dealt with.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>When a tragedy or disaster occurs in Arizona, trained,
> >>>>>>>>>>skilled people are allowed to help without Federal
> >>>>>>>>>>Emergency Management Agency certification, he said.
> >>>>>>>>>>"But when a national disaster is in effect, federal
> >>>>>>>>>>rules take over and FEMA would have to approve it,"
> >>>>>>>>>>said Dudelston.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Once the storm has past, Federal agencies do get involved.  They
do
> >>>>
> >>>>not
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>want everyone to rush down to give aid, it would create anarchy
and
> >>>>>>>>>dangerous situations.  That is the same that applies with state
> >
> > agency
> >
> >>>>>>>>>runned efforts.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>"It's kind of sad people are being turned away, the
> >>>>>>>>>>minute they go into a federal situation, they just
> >>>>>>>>>>can't get in there," he said. "The problem is when
> >>>>>>>>>>something like this happens - when an area is declared
> >>>>>>>>>>a national disaster - you can't go in there. They don't
> >>>>>>>>>>know them (trained volunteers) from Adam, so they can't
> >>>>>>>>>>let them in," he said of federal officials.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>This statements is true of both Federal and State agencies.  To
> >
> > allow
> >
> >>>>>>>>>everyone who wants to provide relief efforts in to a disaster
zone
> >>>>>>>>>invites disaster and poses potential hazards for not only those
> >
> > being
> >
> >>>>>>>>>helped but to those who are doing the helping.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>These agencies have to impose control over the area so that
relief
> >>>>>>>>>efforts are coordinated and effective without putting the lives
of
> >>>>
> >>>>those
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>helping in harms way.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>MRC
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Yeah, great way to coordinate help, by denying it to
anyone....well
> >
> > at
> >
> >>>>>>least
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>it was coordinated denial...kinda like the current
administration...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>You have no clue as to what it takes to coordinate a relief
operation
> >
> > do
> >
> >>>>>>>you or any type of operation involving personnel and supplies.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Your vapid response is proof of your ignorance.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>MRC
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>And your insistance to wait until everything is perfect before doing
> >>>>>>anything is proof that you haven't got a clue. There are always
> >
> > problems
> >
> >>>>in
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>a relief effort, you solve them as they come up while still
providing
> >>>>
> >>>>some
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>kind of help, you don't wait on the sidelines hoping to get all your
> >>>>
> >>>>ducks
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>in a row...it will never happen and you are just wasting time and
> >
> > lives
> >
> >>>>>>while trying. Don't be so stupid all of your life...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>No, I do not say wait until everything is perfect but you can not
allow
> >>>>>just every joe into the area to help.  There are state and federal
> >>>>>agencies that can help and do it well.  If you look back on this
> >>>>>situation this operation went well on the federal side of things when
> >>>>>you compare it to other Cat 4 or 5 hurricanes.  The Feds responded
> >>>>>quicker when compared to Hugo and Andrew (other cat 4 and 5
> >
> > hurricanes).
> >
> >>>>> The Red Cross counld not do anything since they were blocked by
State
> >>>>>officials (i,e. troopers snd Guardsmen)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>MRC
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>When people are dying you let in the devil himself if need be to ease
> >
> > their
> >
> >>>>suffering. FUCK protocol and start saving lives you heartless
> >
> > bastard....
> >
> >>>
> >>>It is not protocol, it is using time, material and personnel wisely to
> >>>effectively help the most people.  Your emotional response shows that
> >>>you would be a walking disaster if allowed to do relief operations.
> >>>
> >>>MRC
> >>
> >>  So then, you really do believe that it's wiser to let
> >>people dehydrate and starve while you sit with your
> >>pencil and paper,  and try to figure out what the most
> >>efficient/effective way to feed them will be.  Well,
> >>by the time you get things in an order,  satisfactory
> >>only to yourself,  there will be less of a need for
> >>that food and water,  you see,  a whole lot of people
> >>you intend to serve will be dead.  What a loon.
> >>
> >>   You let that food in!  No matter what your visions
> >>of orderly/effciency are,  it's not going to work as
> >>you plan.  Professionals know that,  is why they only
> >>do the most superficial planning,  get the food into
> >>the area and let the people on the ground do as they
> >>see fit.
> >>
> >>  There were still people who were mobile in there.
> >>People with boats who knew where people in dire need
> >>were and could get to them,  having come from these
> >>areas themselves.  There were people looking to ferry
> >>supplies to the stadium, for instance,  but they
> >>couldn't because they simply weren't let in.
> >
> >
> >
> > Don't confuse him with facts....it ruins his whole argument...
> >
>
>
> I have given you facts and you still are in capable of comprehension.
> Your arguements are vapid and show your own state of confusion.
>
> Lets try it again.  The state is the one who blocked FEMA from getting
> supplies in.  It was the State who blocked the regular military from
> coming in and aiding in the relief efforts.  It was the State an local
> officials who are the primary responders in a disaster.
>
> Read the Losuian emergenct plan that has been posted.  Read the local
> emergency plan.  Read the DHS NRP plan.  Read the USC concerning the use
> of the active duty military.  Read the Stafford act to understand what
> FEMA can do.
>
> IF you do that then you might begin t ounderstand.
>
> Game Set Match
>
> MRC

F  O  U  R  long days after the initial hit, just after the Shrub flies in
the 'handle' the situation, troops begin to roll in. How .......convenient.