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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:58:50 -0700, wrcowan1@hal-pc.org
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>Chris wrote:
>> <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
>> news:4328d7d6$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
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>>>Chris wrote:
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>>>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:43265b4c$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
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>>>>>Obwon wrote:
>>>>>
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>>>>>>On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:05:04 -0700, wrcowan1@hal-pc.org
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Obwon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"They won't let
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>anyone in there. You have to be FEMA-certified and I am
>>>>>>>>not," he said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you have a clue why you need to be certified by FEMA?  It is so
>> 
>> that
>> 
>>>>>>>your actions are coordinated with others and that you understand the
>>>>>>>scope of tasks being dealt with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have any clue as to what it means to be dying
>>>>>>of dehydration in 100+ degree heat?  Do you think the
>>>>>>Grim Reaper cares about your puny rules and
>>>>>>regulations?  Do you think that death is reversible?
>>>>>
>>>>>That is nothing but emotionalism not reality.  People can survive
>>>>>without water for a period of time.  No one said it is a fun time.  But
>>>>>you have to think as to why are there rules and regulations.  Sure allow
>>>>>people to rush in and you will have more victims.  IF you do not have
>>>>>coordination then supplies are lost and misdirected.  If you do not have
>>>>>those rules and regulations then you will have more deaths than you
>>>>
>>>>prevent.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>What of that Naval ship just off the coast?  Do you
>>>>>>think that they might have been terrorists?  Trying to
>>>>>>get in to do mayhem?  You're only saying that you'd
>>>>>>rather die than get a cool lifesaving drink of water
>>>>>
>>>>>>from someone not FEMA certified!  I'm sure you only
>>>>>
>>>>>>feel that way about this issue,  just as long as it
>>>>>>isn't yourself who is about to die.  Whatever happened
>>>>>>to those Compassionate Conservatives?
>>>>>
>>>>>Gee where would you put the ship? Can not dock because the shipping
>>>>>lanes have not been cleared.  So now you have a ship proceed in and hit
>>>>>an obstruction and it sinks.  Now you have a major problem since now the
>>>>>crew needs to be rescued and you have blocked the waterways that will
>>>>>take longer to clear and restore water traffic.  Sure I want them to get
>>>>>help but at the same token I do not want to have a situation created
>>>>>that gets more people in trouble or even dead.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's pretty cruel to let elderly and young people die
>>>>>>of thirst while you hold up lifesaving help to get
>>>>>>paperwork done.  If that's compassionate conservatism,
>>>>>>then it's clearly something this nation can do without,
>>>>>>post haste.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It is not paperwork that was the problem.  IT was local and state
>>>>>officals that held things up.  They failed to follow the emergency plans
>>>>>that had written.  If they had followed them as they are required to do,
>>>>>then the situation would have been better.  What would have been crueler
>>>>>is having supplies going to a location that does not need them while
>>>>>those who needed them did not get them since there was no one organizing
>>>>>the efforts.
>>>>>
>>>>>MRC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Bullshit.....any supplies getting in there would have been better than
>> 
>> no
>> 
>>>>supplies because they were disorganised. If the supplies had been in
>> 
>> there
>> 
>>>>then they could have gotten them to other places if needed, or the
>> 
>> people
>> 
>>>>could have come to them. But by having no supplies there wasn't even a
>>>>chance...
>>>
>>>
>>>Really?  So you think it would be better to deliver 60 cases of MREs and
>>>  500 gallons of water to a group of 10 people and only deliver 2 mre's
>>>and 5 bottles of water of supplies to a group of 200  And you keep doing
>>>that for 5 days.  Is that wise?  How many of the 200 will be alive or
>>>near death when rescued?  SO sacrifice a large portion of the two
>>>hundred when with proper coordination they all will get supplies.  Those
>>>people at most went 4 days without supplies.  They can survive that.  If
>>>the govenor had been willing to cooperate with the FEDs, the supplies
>>>would have been there sooner.
>>>
>>>MRC
>> 
>> 
>> Bullshit again....if they had gotten the materials in there first they could
>> have worried about distribution then. But with nothing to distribute there
>> was no way to save anyone. Let's see you go four days in 100+degree heat
>> without food or water....you are as bad as the loser president.
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>The superdome had supplies but nobody mangaged them.  The red cross had 
>supplies but they could not get them in because of the national guard 
>and state troopers.  Supplies were stocked in Baton Rouge and the 
>Govenor knew that but failed to act appropriately.

  There were no supplies at the superdome,  they didn't
even decide to use it until the last possible minute!
There were supplies offshore on a navy ship,  but FEMA
wouldn't let them come in.  Other people, the Red
Cross, wanted to distribute supplies, food and water at
the Stadium, but FEMA wouldn't let them do so because
they belived that if people in there got food and water
they wouldn't want to leave when the evacuation order
was given.

>There we[r]e supplies to be had at the convention center area but[ ]they w[e]re 
>looted and squandered instead of being managed.

First of all they weren't being "LOOTED",  they were
being "salvaged".  There was a critical need for these
items, the stores weren't open and the critically
needed lifesaving supplies were being stored and
spoiling.    You "LOOT" diamond, watches, tv's, gold,
etc.,  items that aren't needed to save lives and/or
minister to the victims immediate needs!

Don't use the term "LOOTING" so loosely!  You don't
loot bandages,  iodine, splints, crutches.  You don't
loot water, milk, food.  You don't loot, matresses,
beds, blankets!  In an emergency/disaster area,  FEMA
and the responsible "First Responders",  should have
had a list or an idea, of what kinds of "takings"
represented "LOOTING",  so that it could be easily
distinguished from "salvaging" for human emergency
needs.  Not having done even that superficial level of
planning is telling...  very telling about what was on
the minds of the various responsible agencies.

>Secondly it was not 100 degree in New Orleans for those four days you 
>suggest.

Which shows how little you've read,  or how little you
know,  or how little you care!  Which is it?  Here's
your clue:  Inside the Superdome there was no air
conditioning or power,  so the air wasn't moving!  The
hot southern summer sun beating down on the pavement
and the stadium would raise the temperature inside to
levels well above those outside.  Okay?

On a 90 degree day in New York, you will find that many
subway platforms register well over 100 degrees
underground.  Or haven't you ever noticed this?
West 4th street often reaches 105 to 110 on 90 degree
days, sometimes even 120.  Which is why the subways
used to have water fountains on those pillars.  Now
women with children and the elderly have to seriously
plan their subway trips on hot days.  Wish Boston Mike
would do something about that.


>MRC

Obwon
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