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"Obwon" <obllOob@att.net> wrote in message 
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>
>>>>>>>kind of help, you don't wait on the sidelines hoping to get all your
>>>>>
>>>>>ducks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>in a row...it will never happen and you are just wasting time and 
>>>>>>>lives
>>>>>>>while trying. Don't be so stupid all of your life...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, I do not say wait until everything is perfect but you can not 
>>>>>>allow
>>>>>>just every joe into the area to help.  There are state and federal
>>>>>>agencies that can help and do it well.  If you look back on this
>>>>>>situation this operation went well on the federal side of things when
>>>>>>you compare it to other Cat 4 or 5 hurricanes.  The Feds responded
>>>>>>quicker when compared to Hugo and Andrew (other cat 4 and 5 
>>>>>>hurricanes).
>>>>>> The Red Cross counld not do anything since they were blocked by State
>>>>>>officials (i,e. troopers snd Guardsmen)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>MRC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>When people are dying you let in the devil himself if need be to ease 
>>>>>their
>>>>>suffering. FUCK protocol and start saving lives you heartless 
>>>>>bastard....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It is not protocol, it is using time, material and personnel wisely to
>>>>effectively help the most people.  Your emotional response shows that
>>>>you would be a walking disaster if allowed to do relief operations.
>>>>
>>>>MRC
>>>
>>>
>>>   So then, you really do believe that it's wiser to let
>>> people dehydrate and starve while you sit with your
>>> pencil and paper,  and try to figure out what the most
>>> efficient/effective way to feed them will be.  Well,
>>> by the time you get things in an order,  satisfactory
>>> only to yourself,  there will be less of a need for
>>> that food and water,  you see,  a whole lot of people
>>> you intend to serve will be dead.  What a loon.
>>
>>NO sir, that is a miscaharacterization.
>
> Hmmm...  So, you don't know what a mischaracterization
> is!  Fine, I'll just store that little tidbit of
> information away!
>
> Now,  let's see what we have here?!?
>
>>What I have said and have been
>>advocating is that inorder for any effective rescue or relief operation
>>to take place, you have to have the ability to control the personell in
>>the area, the ability to direct the personell, the ability to gather
>>material and the ability to disperse the material.
>
>  Okay,  so you still want to insist that generally
> "effective" rescue depends on having "qualified" people
> operating under some "organized" plan!   That's
> patentedly silly!  To "pop" this misinformation
> "bubble", I merely need to point out that there are
> people already in the area,  with no "official"
> qualifications,  who do save lives,  merely by reacting
> to their observerations of need.  Boom, you're argument
> goes up in smoke!
>
>  Here...  Let me offer you some help, before you "go
> down for the third time".  What you are talking about
> is the response of "Oraganised Offcial Responders".
> And sure,  you'd expect them to try to maintain some
> control over who gets to do what.  But,  they should
> also be able to make reasonable judgements about who
> should be allowed to do what.  After all,  you don't
> wait for qualified people to come in and clear roads,
> when there are people available who could do the job.
>
> You certainly don't allow 25,000 people to remain in a
> hot stadium without food or water for days at a time,
> while you're turning down offers to bring food and
> water in,  because they haven't been "cleared" to do
> so.  They have food, water and vehicles and people to
> make the delivery and distribute it,  you let them pass
> through and get the job done regardless.  Remembering
> that the children, the elderly, the sick the infirm and
> the dehydrated or starving people in there, might die
> if they're required to wait another hour or two.
> I mean really...  Haven't you any compassion?
>
>>The red cross was on
>>the scence and is a first responder organization.  They have personnel
>>and material to use.  They were prevented by the State.
>
> Errr...  They were prevented by FEMA!  And they were
> prevented from even leaving Florida by order of Jeb
> Bush!  Perhaps Florida is the "State" you mention
> because you misunderstood the articles, if you read any
> and aren't really parroting a party line or two.


According to the Red Cross, it was the state's (not Federal) Homeland 
Security Dept. along with the National Guard (under the direction of the 
governor) that prevented them from entering New Orleans. 
http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524

FWIW, FEMA is a last responder - who's job function is to primarily aid in 
financial recovery. i.e. hand out money. They are a department of only 3000 
employees - which is tiny for a federal government bureaucracy.