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Freedom Fighter <liberty@once.net> wrote in message
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> CONSERVATIVES VS. LIBERALS: THE NATURE OF THE BEAST
[snip]
>
> David Rice is a man on death row in Washington State who has no remorse
> whatsoever for entering the home of a family of four and carving out their
> living hearts only because he heard they were "liberals." He got their
names
> from a Democratic Party membership list.
>
> Right-wingers Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 men, women, and
> children as an act of protest. What liberals have ever committed such an
> abominable atrocity?

Fidel Castro?

>
> The most abominable atrocity in several decades is the 9/11 terrorist
> attacks upon America. Thousands of innocent civilians were murdered. The
> perpetrator, Osama Bin Laden and the al Qaeda-Taliban terrorists,
epitomize
> the right-wing religious fundamentalist mentality.

Just like the Manson family epitomized the left-wing free love hippie
mentality.

>
> Arguing that such horrendous crimes are not political in nature or that
they
> are not done primarily by conservatives is utter nonsense. Look back:

No it ain't.

>
> Who nailed who to a cross?

Who kills missionaries, who last time I checked are not always preaching

> Who were the Loyalists to the totalitarian monarchy of King George?
>
> Who started our Civil War to defend slavery?
>
> Who fought to keep women as property, and now fights their sovereignty
over
> their own bodies in the freedom to choose abortion?
>
> Who fought against child labor statutes?

These are all 18th and 19th century issues, except abortion.  Abortion of
course, is the Liberal sacrement so I won't argue about it here.

>
> Who fought against the concept of free public education?

Who fights against vouchers, which would put the poor on an equal footing
when it comes to education?

> Who fought against the right of women to vote?

Men.

> Who fought against anti-trust and anti-monopoly legislation?

Theodore Roosevelt was arguably neither Liberal nor Conservative--one of the
most independant thinking presidents we've ever had, really a unique and
admirable individual who's philosophy could be summed up as "fixing what he
saw as wrong" as opposed to any one-dimensional ideology like "liberal" or
"conservative".

>
> Who fought against workers organizing?

Who pushed the auto and steel industry to foreign shores?

>
> Who fought against government controls on manufacturers of cars "unsafe at
> any speed?"

Who made them put airbags in, even though they said it was a dubious device,
then when airbags started killing children, who had to make sure you could
disable airbags?  For that matter, who insists on CAFE standards which
create tin-can killboxes?  Who created the rollover-prone SUV?  Well
intentioned Liberals who put CAFE on cars, but of course you can't CAFE a
truck so voila!  The SUV was born.

>
> Who killed several thousand innocent civilians in the 9/11 terrorist
> attacks?

Who killed several million innocent civilians in Soviet Russia because they
might not have been true Liberals?

>
> Who started WW2, murdered 13 million and caused the death of 40 million
> more?

Are we talking about Liberals vs. Conservatives here, or Communists vs.
Fascists?

>
> Who defended Jim Crow for a hundred years?

Who defends racial preferences (in the form of so-called "affirmative
action") now?

>
> Who fought against voting rights, civil rights,

bigots.

> social security,

Perhaps some forsighted individuals who could imagine a day when we'd be
contributing a big chunk of our pay to a fund with negative return while the
government kites checks to pay the bills.

 health care
> for the elderly,

You mean forcing the elderly to fill out reems of paperwork to go to a
hospital, as opposed to before when the doctor made a housecall and you paid
the bill if you could.  The only thing the government adds to healthcare is
paperwork.  Doctors and charities could, and did, do it all much more
efficiently... or have you never noticed the fact that many hospitals have a
church affiliation?

> and minimum wages?

Employers.

>
> Who fights against environmental protection statutes?

Who wants the 3rd world to have pollution parity with the west (Kyoto),
nevermind the environment.  Who burns down buildings (Earth Liberation
Front)?

>
> Who opposes equal rights for gays and other free-lifestyle minorities?

Who judges people on the content of their character?

>
> Who cruelly opposes physician-assisted dying for suffering, terminally ill
> patients soon to die anyway?

Who started Medicaid, and now wants to make sure that they can push people
off Medicaid into the great unknown because, well, you know... comforting
the dying is expensive.

>
> Who is sabotaging the separation of Church and State, and all our other
> Constitutional rights, freedoms, and protections?

Who made secular humanism the state religion?  Who binds Church and State
all the more tightly by forcing children to worship at the altar of the
Ungod?

>
> Who are the moralizing hypocrites forcing their puritanical inhibitions
and
> prohibitions
^^^^^^^^

Who's trying to make smoking and hamburgers illegal?  Or perhaps you're
referring to all those brave Democrats who are trying to end the war on
drugs... what?  They don't have the guts either?

 on ALL Americans via legislation and draconian, police-state
> enforcement practices?

Who tried to make it illegal to choose your doctor?

Liberals!

>
> Who always puts personal gain and corporate wealth and power above the
> common good?

Politicians from both parties do that.

>
> CONSERVATIVES OR LIBERALS?
>
> The historic, undeniable truth is that these evils are THE NATURE OF THE
> CONSERVATIVE BEAST!
>
> Conservatives have distorted and demonized the word "liberal," whose true

No, Leftists have corrupted that word.  It used to mean freedom, now it
means taxation and regulation.

> political meaning is favoring progressive change, humanistic values, and
> opposition to authoritarianism. They identify it with governmental waste
and
> tolerance of criminality, when in fact they themselves are guilty of
abuses
> such as corporate welfare bail-outs and tax evasion, and white-collar
crime.
> Conservatives fear and oppose all change and progress beyond "what's in it
> for me?"
>
> At the core of conservatism is the Machiavellian bully - the despotic
> practitioner of "might makes right," craving wealth and power, and willing
> to use any and all means to get them. Conservatism is the philosophy of
the
> caveman wearing a business suit.

Liberalism is the philosophy of the Caveman wearing his birthday suit, and
everybody can see it except for those who are too blind and brainwashed to
realize "the emperor has no clothes".

>
> AND THE CAVEMENS' CLUBS CAN NOW DESTROY OUR EARTH!

To sum up, some of your questions are answered "conservatives" when you
address really old stuff.  What's happened is that Liberals have
accomplished all they *needed* to accomplish in America, and then they went
on and started "accomplishing" things that it turns out we didn't need, and
that are actually destructive.  Too much of anything, including progress in
the "progressive" sense, can be a bad thing.

--$teve