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"istartedi" <comments@vrml3d.com> wrote in message
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> > Who were the Loyalists to the totalitarian monarchy of King George?
> >
> > Who started our Civil War to defend slavery?
> >
> > Who fought to keep women as property, and now fights their sovereignty
> over
> > their own bodies in the freedom to choose abortion?
> >
> > Who fought against child labor statutes?
>
> These are all 18th and 19th century issues, except abortion.  Abortion of
> course, is the Liberal sacrement so I won't argue about it here.

The time frame is unimportant... it was the conservative viewpoint of the
day that these things were all evil and had to be supressed at any cost!
> >
> > Who fought against the concept of free public education?
>
> Who fights against vouchers, which would put the poor on an equal footing
> when it comes to education?

The only reason "private education" gets such good press is that they get to
pick and choose whoever they want in their schools. What happens to those
people with vouchers in their hands who can't find a school to take their
children? And if you think "public education" is going to still be there
while its funding gets cut even further to reflect all those missing
dollars, you're fooling yourself!
>
> > Who fought against the right of women to vote?
>
> Men.

100% of all men were against women voting? Or just men in the conservative
faction?

> > Who fought against anti-trust and anti-monopoly legislation?
>
> Theodore Roosevelt was arguably neither Liberal nor Conservative--one of
the
> most independant thinking presidents we've ever had, really a unique and
> admirable individual who's philosophy could be summed up as "fixing what
he
> saw as wrong" as opposed to any one-dimensional ideology like "liberal" or
> "conservative".

This doesn't answer the question. At least not clearly enough for me.

> > Who fought against government controls on manufacturers of cars "unsafe
at
> > any speed?"
>
> Who made them put airbags in, even though they said it was a dubious
device,
> then when airbags started killing children, who had to make sure you could
> disable airbags?  For that matter, who insists on CAFE standards which
> create tin-can killboxes?  Who created the rollover-prone SUV?  Well
> intentioned Liberals who put CAFE on cars, but of course you can't CAFE a
> truck so voila!  The SUV was born.

Don't know what CAFE stands for, so I can't say. I don't think liberals
"created" the SUV... auto-manufacturers created the SUV in an attempt to
end-run around emissions standards (which may be what the acronym CAFE
stands for, but I hadn't heard it before.) What a horrible thing it is to
try and keep the air breatheable... or are you too young to remember when
they actually had days where they told people not to go outside if they
could help it because the air quality was "unacceptable."
> >
> > Who killed several thousand innocent civilians in the 9/11 terrorist
> > attacks?
>
> Who killed several million innocent civilians in Soviet Russia because
they
> might not have been true Liberals?

Communism is as much our warped, twisted child as facisism is yours.

> > Who defended Jim Crow for a hundred years?
>
> Who defends racial preferences (in the form of so-called "affirmative
> action") now?

I don't like "affirmative action," but unless we find some way to create
"blind bidding" applications, you can't convince me that a person's color
isn't going to affect his ability to be accepted! Affirmative action is an
attempt to tip that situation back to normal. Tell me how else it could be
done! (And see my first line before you tell me that "everybody should be
taken on their merits and nothing else." yes, that would be perfect! Now
tell me how that can be done!
> >
> > Who fought against voting rights, civil rights,
>
> bigots.

...who were on [what] side of the equation?

>
> > social security,
>
> Perhaps some forsighted individuals who could imagine a day when we'd be
> contributing a big chunk of our pay to a fund with negative return while
the
> government kites checks to pay the bills.
>
>  health care
> > for the elderly,
>
> You mean forcing the elderly to fill out reems of paperwork to go to a
> hospital, as opposed to before when the doctor made a housecall and you
paid
> the bill if you could.  The only thing the government adds to healthcare
is
> paperwork.  Doctors and charities could, and did, do it all much more
> efficiently... or have you never noticed the fact that many hospitals have
a
> church affiliation?
>
> > and minimum wages?
>
> Employers.
>
> >
> > Who fights against environmental protection statutes?
>
> Who wants the 3rd world to have pollution parity with the west (Kyoto),
> nevermind the environment.  Who burns down buildings (Earth Liberation
> Front)?

eco-terrorists are nutballs. Every group has nutballs. They don't stand for
the main thrust of the group as a whole.
>
> >
> > Who opposes equal rights for gays and other free-lifestyle minorities?
>
> Who judges people on the content of their character?

Not conservatives, I can tell you that.

enough! this is getting tiring!