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Article #1857Re: Who's Terrorizing Whom?
From: Tom Klemesrud
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:14
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:14
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Smokin Dave wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 06:56:35 -0500, Tom Klemesrud <tomklem@WCTAtel.net> wrote: > > >Who's Terrorizing Whom? > > > >If all those passengers carrying cell phones on Tuesday's ill-fated > >airliners were allowed to exercise their constitutional rights to bear > >arms, there would have been democracies on those planes; and, there > >would have been no "Attack on America." > > > >-Tom Klemesrud > > Hey Tom, I'm all for constitutional rights, indluding the right to bear arms. > But allowing everyone to carry personal weapons onto an airplane? You're joking, > right? The notion of "freedom" and democracy is something that has been won in conflicts with tyrants. In most cases guns, or similar weapons of the day, were used in these conflicts. Tyrants are less inclined to pick on potential victims or would-be slaves if there is sufficient threat that these victims might be able to defend themselves. Thus, we have in the United States the right to own and bear arms--to protect our freedom and personal safety. Like Scientology, Tuesday's terrorists took advantage of a glitch in our constitutional law. Since the 1970's, on commercial airlines, (largely because of arab terrorism), U.S. citizens have been temporarily striped of their 2nd and 4th amendment rights, making the sort of terrorist attack possible. The oppressive government that did this has been unable or unwilling to protect the flying public in this state of vulnerability. The solution is not further suppression of rights, but the restoration of those rights, that returns control to the dynamic of the group that flies, the ability to mediate in the control of their own fate. This in fact happened on the one of the four airplanes on which the terrorists plans were foiled, saving untold lives.
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