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Why are the Feds trying to stop the Oklahoma public from asking
questions about the Ok City bombing and the Federal case? Many
witnesses who want to testify are not being heard. Many questions are
being rasied about possible government involement,and prior knowledge of
the threat. Read the current update to find out more:
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Subject: OKLAHOMA CITY UPDATE
OKLAHOMA CITY UPDATE:
David Hoffman/Haight Ashbury Free Press wrote:
Bob Macy's 'Can of Worms'
By David Hoffman, Haight Ashbury Free Press
Oklahomans may have won a significant victory yesterday as the Oklahoma
Court of Appeals entertained arguments on behalf of impaneling a new Grand
Jury to investigate the Oklahoma City bombing. The original petition,
brought by State Representative Charles Key (R-OKC), and Glenn Wilburn, the
grandfather of two dead boys, was quashed by District Judge Daniel Owens on
grounds that it would be "reinventing the wheel."
Mark Sanford, Key's attorney, argued that the people of Oklahoma saw it as
an "opportunity to fill in the missing spokes of the wheel." The two men
brought the petition in December of 1995 after discovering numerous
discrepancies in the Federal Government's case. This included evidence of
foreknowledge, including a government "sting" operation underway at the
time; indications of additional bombs in the building; attempts by Federal
prosecutors and Justice Department officials to protect the identity of
certain suspects, namely John Doe 2; and intimidation of witnesses by FBI
agents.
About 25 spectators, including some bombing victims, filled the courthouse
to hear the arguments before the three-judge panel. Sanford's opening
argument was simple and brief. He stated that the petition was properly
brought, that much evidence has already been ignored by the Federal
Government, and that the State Constitution grants the people the right to
convene a Grand Jury when the facts so dictate.
Beverly Palmer from District Attorney Bob Macy's office, arguing in defense
of Judge Owens, claimed that the petition was "insufficient on its face,"
and the request was duplicitous of the Federal Grand Jury's efforts.
Yet, as Judge Ronald Stubblefield pointed out, nowhere did Judge Owens
state why the petition was insufficient. Palmer replied that "obstructing
justice" was too broad, and there wasn't enough "specificity" in the claim
of other suspects. Palmer then tried to play the issue of the petition's
"legal sufficiency" against the judge's "exercise of discretion." In this
case, she argued, Judge Owens had the "discretion" to quash the petition
even if it was "sufficient" on its face.
Both Judges Daniel Boudreau and Stubblefield called her on it, stating that
it wasn't necessary to state specific facts, being necessary only to state
a sufficient reason why a crime had been committed. "What more can they
say?" asked Judge Stubblefield.
It was Stubblefield who really put Palmer to the wall. He was skeptical
that Judge Owens had any facts to advise him properly in his decision. "I
question whether Judge Owens has the discretion�" said Stubblefield. "He's
just operating on what he knows about the bombing. Do you think it's right
to make a judgment based on what he reads in the newspaper?" Even Palmer
admitted that the statutes were limited as to what Judge Owens could do or
how he could interpret the law.
As Sanford stated, "Legally he didn't have the right to quash the petition.
But because he's a judge he has the power, whether it's legal or not."
Arguments and counter-arguments flew back and forth as two sides battled
for the legal right of way. While Palmer argued that a County Grand Jury
would be "duplicitous," Sanford coolly replied that there is nothing to
prevent multiple Grand Juries from operating simultaneously.
Palmer, visibly nervous, seemed to grasp for straws. She argued that the
County Grand Jury shouldn't be convened because of the need for "judicial
economy." And that it contravenes "public policy concerns."
"What policy concerns?" asked Judge Boudreau.
The County doesn't possess the resources and funds, Palmer argued, to
pursue such a big case. Besides, she pleaded, the "investigation" is
already "complete," being a "thorough investigation" from "several
different Federal agencies."
"This case isn't a matter of public policy," said Oklahoma resident Art
Fisher, who attended the hearing, "it's one of law. And they're trying to
strip the public's right to determine the law."
Palmer claimed a County Grand Jury would "jeopardize the Federal case." The
Federal gag order prevents interviewing prospective witnesses, she claimed.
Sanford countered that there would be no interference with the Federal case
as long as they were interviewing witnesses and suspects that Federal
prosecutors ignored, which seem to be in abundance. This reporter has
interviewed numerous witnesses-those who've been questioned by the FBI, and
those who haven't, eventhough they've attempted to be interviewed. Several
have even been threatened when they've tried to tell their apparently
credible stories.
Finally, Palmer, borrowing a favorite acronym of DA Robert Macy's, claimed
that impaneling a Grand Jury would "open up a new can of worms," the same
line Macy used to dissuade Key from bringing the Grand Jury early on.
Interestingly, it was just two months ago that Macy claimed to this
reporter that he intended to prosecute McVeigh and Nichols in a state trial
on 161 counts of First Degree Murder. "I don't like taking a second seat to
the [Federal] prosecution," stated Macy. "The bombing killed 10 of my
friends."
Macy claimed he was interested in getting to the truth. "I'm prepared to do
what ever it takes to get to the truth, Macy added. "My sole intent is in
learning the truth."
Curiously, when asked if he intended to conduct an investigation
independent of the Feds', he said, "Well, I don't want to be a party to
anything that will interfere with the Feds' prosecution. I Don't want to
open up a new can of worms."
Yet as Sanford correctly points out, there are holes in the Feds' case big
enough to drive a truck through. It is, literally, a can of worms begging
to be opened.
As Judge Stubblefield concluded, "The people have the right to circulate a
petition if the people find that things aren't going the way they ought to
be.� Is it not the right, by the sanctified right of the Grand Jury in
Oklahoma, to inquire whether a crime is committed? �Don't they have the
right to investigate people who they think are involved? This is a highly
protected right.�"
David Hoffman, Publisher
Haight Ashbury Free Press
6118 N. Meridian, #621
Oklahoma City, OK 73112
http://www.webcom.com/haight
(405) 948-1330 (temorarily in Oklahoma City)
A Note From the Commissioner
If we look at what the IRS tells us today about income taxes
on the first page of the Form 1040 Tax Instruction Booklet from
1994, we find a "Note From the Commissioner", which is usually
one of the first things in the booklet. This one is from
Margaret Richardson, the current Commissioner of the IRS. It
states in part:
Dear Taxpayer,
Thank you for making this nation's tax system the
most effective system of voluntary compliance in the
world. The key to maintaining that system is ensuring
that you are treated fairly and equitably, that your
privacy is protected, and that our tax system is as
simple and understandable as possible....
Margaret Milner Richardson
The first sentence here is:
"Thank you for making this nation's tax system the most
effective system of voluntary compliance in the world."
There it is! Voluntary Compliance. Why do they say that ? What
does that mean ? And how does it effect you, a sovereign
American Citizen ? We will come back to those questions in a
bit, but I would point out here that this opening statement is
not unusual. Nearly every instruction booklet from past years
has opened with some variation of this statement from the
Commissioner.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of
servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home
from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch
down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget
that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams
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