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Mike Smith wrote:
> On 27 Aug 2005 15:26:52 -0700, "Doug Reese" <dreese@erols.com> wrote:
>
> >Mike Smith wrote:
> >> On 23 Aug 2005 17:53:46 -0700, "Doug Reese" <dreese@erols.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >tom spillman wrote:
> >> >> rms1@my-deja.com wrote:
> >> >> >>JT, Jeffrey is forever going to believe his delusional impression of
> >> >> >>the swift boat vets.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No, you see, it goes like this: Jeffrey, as a thinking person, is never
> >> >> > going to believe YOUR delusional impression of the swiftboat vets, who
> >> >> > lied about Kerry.  Thought you should know.
> >> >> >
> >> >> I agree that they may have gone a bit overboard in their dislike for the
> >> >> self-aggrandizing Kerry.  However, NO ONE can doubt that his testimony
> >> >> before Congress was anything but treasonable.  I remember seeing it at
> >> >> the time. As I understand it, few if any of the Swift Boat vets were on
> >> >> his boat, but they always operated in close proximity of each other,
> >> >> i.e., close enough to see what was going on in his boat.
> >> >
> >> >Pretty much correct Tom. When the Swifts went out, it was typically
> >> >3-4-5 boats. For the incident where Kerry received the Bronze Star, for
> >> >example, there were five Swift Boats.
> >> >
> >> >And out of the 30 Swiftees and two Special Forces guys there that day,
> >> >there were just four who disputed Kerry's version of what happened. 35
> >> >years later, 4 out of 32 said it happened differently from what Kerry
> >> >said happened.
> >> >
> >> >Doug Reese
> >> >
> >>
> >> And what did the other 28 say? Is their silence deafening? Or did the
> >> other 28 actually comment on his actions over the last several years?
> >
> >Some have commented -- Kerry's crew, of course, and Jim Rassmann, the
> >guy Kerry pulled out of the river.
> >
> >Then there were several people on other boats who backed-up Kerry's
> >story, including another officer.
> >
> >The private investigator tried to find other people who would dispute
> >what Kerry said, but those four (Thurlow, Chenowith, Pease and Van
> >O'Dell) were it.
> >
> >Many have chosen to stay silent.
>
> I believe those 4, based on Kerry's history. They seem normal; Kerry
> seems extremely self-centered and snobbish, and he is a known/proven
> liar.

Then you are saying that the other, lets' say 10-11 guys are liars. Is
that correct?

> >
> >> {liberals are notorious for omitting facts that refute their rants}
> >
> >Actually, that award in this case goes to the Swift Boat Veterans for
> >"truth". The facts that they have omitted in Unfit for Command are so
> >numerous it would take another book to list them all.
>
> Such as? {yes, you should have at least posted one or two examples,
> instead of what you did post}

OK, you are such a fan that you don't have the book (I say this from
your comment below, asking where they dispute his SS), which in itself
is interesting. I have the book, and you don't. Hmmm . . . . anyway,
let me quote a passage:

This is on page 82, should you ever get a copy of the book and read
some of it, about 2/3 of the page . . . . .

1. They say that "According to Doug Reese, a pro-Kerry Army veteran,
and many others, what happened that day differs from the retelling in
the citation."

What they omit is the fact that they are quoting from a citation
written YEARS later. It has some wording that is found nowhere, in any
other paperwork, which was apparently inserted by an awards clerk when
he/she was re-doing the citation, and making it shorter.

The citation they curiously ignore, written at the time of the
incident, is accurate in every detail. As is the after-action report.
Both of which agree with what EVERYONE THERE has said happened.

2. Here's another deception on their part. Pretty tricky, too, the way
they word it.

After talking about what happened where I and the other advisors were,
they say "None of the participants from Reese's boat received any
Silver Stars. Indeed, most, if not all, of the non-PCF troops received
no medals for this action. Doug Reese, who advised the South Vietnamese
who were the first group ashore and who killed most of the Viet Cong
received a well-deserved Army Commendation Medal -- a much lower medal
than the Silver Star."

The deception is multi-layered, but I'll just mention part of it.

When they say "non-PCF troops", just who are they talking about? The
Vietnamese? Maybe, but who knows about their awards? So they must be
talking about the three advisors, right? That's all I can think of. And
guess what, ALL of the advisors received medals. Mine, in fact, was the
lowest. The other two guys received Bronze Stars.

Technically speaking, they didn't lie, as the Vietnamese fall in the
category of "non-PCF troops".

Oh, one more thing . . . . no mention is made of any PCF troops
receiving, or not receiving, and awards -- other than to say none of
those on my boat received any Silver Stars. However, what they manage
to omit is that EVERY PCF GUY received an award for that incident --
something like 19 guys, total.

3. They manage to omit the fact that no one present that day, out of
all thsoe people, disputes Kerry receiving the Silver Star. And that
includes the one (and only) member of the Swift Boat Veterans for
"truth". That guy didn't support Kerry for the presidency, but he does
support him receiving the SS.

4. Hmm, what else . . so many to choose from . . OK, how about this. I
am NOT quoted in the book. Why is this? well, because if they quoted
me, there would be one of those little numbers by my name. And with
that number you could go to the back of the book and see the reference
for that quote.

They wanted to OMIT the source of my quotes, so they didn't quote me.
They did twist what I said. They did OMIT some of what I said. Mainly,
they wanted to use my name.

But, if they did quote me, and you went to the back of the book to see
where that quote came from, you'd read something like this: Doug Reese
as told to Tom Rupprath, private investigator hired by SBV'T", in a
June 2004 interview.

> >
> >Example -- for the Silver Star incident, none out of about 25-26
> >present have disputed what Kerry said.
> >
> >Doug Reese
>
> OK, where did the Swift Boat Vets dispute his silver star?

You have GOT to be kidding!

> {This is what I mean about intentionally deceptive liberals}

You seem like an intelligent person. So why do you keep tossing out
that "intentionally deceptive liberals" bit? Especially when, in this
case, the SBV"t" have devoted SEVEN PAGES IN THEIR BOOK to disputing
Kerry's Silver Star.

(Either YOU are being intentionally deceptive, or, well, you haven't
researched this subject very well.)

And then there's the early August drudge report which was devoted to
the book, and disputing the Silver Star. It is all over the internet.

And the there's God-knows-how-many talk shows John O'Neill was on,
disputing the Silver Star and all-things-Kerry.

> Here's a link for you to scan. It has their topics of discussion about
> Kerry.:
> http://horse.he.net/~swiftpow/index.php?topic=Latest

Thanks. I took part in their discussion forum from May 2004 up until a
few months ago. I am very much aware of what they talk about.

Doug
 
> Mike Smith