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Chris wrote:
> <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> news:43226972$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
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>>Obwon wrote:
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>>>As the National Guard delivered food to the New Orleans
>>>convention center yesterday, American Red Cross
>>>officials said that federal emergency management
>>>authorities would not allow them to do the same.
>>
>>The National Guard was the one controling the roads and not FEMA.
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>>>Other relief agencies say the area is so damaged and
>>>dangerous that they doubted they could conduct mass
>>>feeding there now.
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>>Could this be the reason why people who came down to help were not
>>allowed to do so?  Off course it is the reason.
>>
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>>>"The Homeland Security Department has requested and
>>>continues to request that the American Red Cross not
>>>come back into New Orleans," said Renita Hosler,
>>>spokeswoman for the Red Cross.
>>>
>>>"Right now access is controlled by the National Guard
>>>and local authorities. We have been at the table every
>>>single day [asking for access]. We cannot get into New
>>>Orleans against their orders."
>>>
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>>There it is the National Guard, controlled by the Govenor and not the
>>Federal Government, controlled access to the city.
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>>>Though frustrated, Hosler understood the reasons. The
>>>goal is to move people out of an uninhabitable city,
>>>and relief operations might keep them there. Security
>>>is so bad that she fears feeding stations might get
>>>ransacked.
>>
>>
>>Hmmm, another good reason to keep the masss of volunteers out.
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> 
> Yeah that's a good reason....why not send in troops with the food stations
> and help the people who were not causing trouble....you know, that 90% who
> just wanted to live....nice plan there georgie...
>

As the Govenor of Louisian that question.  She is the one who is 
responsible for the National Guard.  Ask her why she did not call up 
enough troops before hand?  Ask her why she delayed in sending them in 
and why she delayed asking for more trrops?  Ask her why she refused to 
allow the Federal Government to step in and provide trrops early in the 
disaster?

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>>>Obstacles in downtown New Orleans have stymied rescuers
>>>who got there. The Salvation Army has two of its
>>>officers trapped with more than 200 people -- three
>>>requiring dialysis -- in its own downtown building.
>>>They were alerted by a 30-second plea for food and
>>>water before the phone went dead.
>>>
>>>On Wednesday, The Salvation Army rented three boats for
>>>a rescue operation. They knew the situation was
>>>desperate, and that their own people were inside, said
>>>Maj. Donna Hood, associate director of development for
>>>the Army.
>>>
>>>"The boats couldn't get through," she said. Although
>>>she doesn't know the details, she believes huge debris
>>>and electrical wires made passage impossible.
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>>If boasts had trouble getting in the nvehicular traffic would have the
>>same trouble.
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> 
> Ummm...no...there were many roads that were not under water.....and tehy
> could have made it to the damn superdome before it became thunderdome....
> 

But did those roads lead to every spot that had people that needed help? 
  No they did not.  The area around the superdome was under water.  To 
get vehicular traffic there takes time.  YOu first have to find a safe 
route that is not totally flooded out that can be used by all the 
personnel that you need not just those who can get through.  Thereal 
question is why was the superdome used when the emergency plan called 
for the school buses to be used to transport people out?


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>>>Because New Orleans remains under water, it is
>>>different from other cities where Katrina struck
>>>harder, but where relief efforts are proceeding
>>>normally. Agencies place workers and supplies outside
>>>disaster areas before storms, to move in quickly. But
>>>there are always delays, Burton said, because nothing
>>>is deployed until experts survey the damage and decide
>>>where to most effectively put relief services.
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>>
>>Again another reason why it took time to get any amount of supplies in
>>and people out.
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> 
> Meanwhile just let the people die until we do a "study" of what's
> needed....here's a free clue FOOD AND WATER!!
> 

Another clueless statement.  YOu have to assess what supplies you have. 
  Then you have to assess what means do you have to get them there. 
Next you assess the personel available.  Then you identifiy and 
prioritize those in need.  This does take time.  Sure you could go out 
and make drops of food and water but you have to make sure that not all 
your drops are in one place and another place is totally ignored.  It 
take time and coordination.  But as you well know the National Guard, at 
the orders of the Govenor prevented relief supplies from being delieverd.


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>>>After Katrina, he thought he would have to airlift a
>>>feeding unit to one isolated town, but a road was
>>>cleared, he said. He doubts that dropping a kitchen
>>>into the New Orleans' poisoned waters, filled with raw
>>>sewage, dead bodies and possible industrial
>>>contaminants, would do any good. It made sense to
>>>prepare meals outside the area and truck them in or
>>>bring people out.
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>>Logistics is a taks that so many do not understand.  If you are having
>>trouble feeding those who are in the city already, think about the
>>problems that would be encountered if you let every group that wanted to
>>help in?  They would have problems with getting food, water, sanitation
>>and someplace to sleeep.
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> 
> Or they would have there own food...since that was what they were
> bringing...they could have shit in the street like everyone else....and I
> seriously doubt anyone would have been sleeping in the first 48 hours...
>

To have just one person crap in the street is not per se a problem but 
when you have hundreds of people (more people than were originally 
there) doing it then you have a health problem that is compounding the 
existing problem.  Even in the first 48 hrs there will be people 
sleeping that is just good management of resources and the reason you 
have extra personell.  You neglected to say where they were to have 
staged? How would you communicate with them?  YOu know those pesky 
question that need to be answered.

MRC