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> Chris wrote:
> > <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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> >>Obwon wrote:
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> >>
> >>>As the National Guard delivered food to the New Orleans
> >>>convention center yesterday, American Red Cross
> >>>officials said that federal emergency management
> >>>authorities would not allow them to do the same.
> >>
> >>The National Guard was the one controling the roads and not FEMA.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Other relief agencies say the area is so damaged and
> >>>dangerous that they doubted they could conduct mass
> >>>feeding there now.
> >>
> >>Could this be the reason why people who came down to help were not
> >>allowed to do so?  Off course it is the reason.
> >>
> >>
> >>>"The Homeland Security Department has requested and
> >>>continues to request that the American Red Cross not
> >>>come back into New Orleans," said Renita Hosler,
> >>>spokeswoman for the Red Cross.
> >>>
> >>>"Right now access is controlled by the National Guard
> >>>and local authorities. We have been at the table every
> >>>single day [asking for access]. We cannot get into New
> >>>Orleans against their orders."
> >>>
> >>
> >>There it is the National Guard, controlled by the Govenor and not the
> >>Federal Government, controlled access to the city.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Though frustrated, Hosler understood the reasons. The
> >>>goal is to move people out of an uninhabitable city,
> >>>and relief operations might keep them there. Security
> >>>is so bad that she fears feeding stations might get
> >>>ransacked.
> >>
> >>
> >>Hmmm, another good reason to keep the masss of volunteers out.
> >
> >
> > Yeah that's a good reason....why not send in troops with the food
stations
> > and help the people who were not causing trouble....you know, that 90%
who
> > just wanted to live....nice plan there georgie...
> >
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> As the Govenor of Louisian that question.  She is the one who is
> responsible for the National Guard.  Ask her why she did not call up
> enough troops before hand?  Ask her why she delayed in sending them in
> and why she delayed asking for more trrops?  Ask her why she refused to
> allow the Federal Government to step in and provide trrops early in the
> disaster?
>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>>Obstacles in downtown New Orleans have stymied rescuers
> >>>who got there. The Salvation Army has two of its
> >>>officers trapped with more than 200 people -- three
> >>>requiring dialysis -- in its own downtown building.
> >>>They were alerted by a 30-second plea for food and
> >>>water before the phone went dead.
> >>>
> >>>On Wednesday, The Salvation Army rented three boats for
> >>>a rescue operation. They knew the situation was
> >>>desperate, and that their own people were inside, said
> >>>Maj. Donna Hood, associate director of development for
> >>>the Army.
> >>>
> >>>"The boats couldn't get through," she said. Although
> >>>she doesn't know the details, she believes huge debris
> >>>and electrical wires made passage impossible.
> >>
> >>If boasts had trouble getting in the nvehicular traffic would have the
> >>same trouble.
> >
> >
> > Ummm...no...there were many roads that were not under water.....and tehy
> > could have made it to the damn superdome before it became
thunderdome....
> >
>
> But did those roads lead to every spot that had people that needed help?
>   No they did not.  The area around the superdome was under water.  To
> get vehicular traffic there takes time.  YOu first have to find a safe
> route that is not totally flooded out that can be used by all the
> personnel that you need not just those who can get through.  Thereal
> question is why was the superdome used when the emergency plan called
> for the school buses to be used to transport people out?
>
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> >
> >>
> >>
> >>>Because New Orleans remains under water, it is
> >>>different from other cities where Katrina struck
> >>>harder, but where relief efforts are proceeding
> >>>normally. Agencies place workers and supplies outside
> >>>disaster areas before storms, to move in quickly. But
> >>>there are always delays, Burton said, because nothing
> >>>is deployed until experts survey the damage and decide
> >>>where to most effectively put relief services.
> >>
> >>
> >>Again another reason why it took time to get any amount of supplies in
> >>and people out.
> >
> >
> > Meanwhile just let the people die until we do a "study" of what's
> > needed....here's a free clue FOOD AND WATER!!
> >
>
> Another clueless statement.  YOu have to assess what supplies you have.
>   Then you have to assess what means do you have to get them there.
> Next you assess the personel available.  Then you identifiy and
> prioritize those in need.  This does take time.  Sure you could go out
> and make drops of food and water but you have to make sure that not all
> your drops are in one place and another place is totally ignored.  It
> take time and coordination.  But as you well know the National Guard, at
> the orders of the Govenor prevented relief supplies from being delieverd.
>
>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>>After Katrina, he thought he would have to airlift a
> >>>feeding unit to one isolated town, but a road was
> >>>cleared, he said. He doubts that dropping a kitchen
> >>>into the New Orleans' poisoned waters, filled with raw
> >>>sewage, dead bodies and possible industrial
> >>>contaminants, would do any good. It made sense to
> >>>prepare meals outside the area and truck them in or
> >>>bring people out.
> >>
> >>Logistics is a taks that so many do not understand.  If you are having
> >>trouble feeding those who are in the city already, think about the
> >>problems that would be encountered if you let every group that wanted to
> >>help in?  They would have problems with getting food, water, sanitation
> >>and someplace to sleeep.
> >
> >
> > Or they would have there own food...since that was what they were
> > bringing...they could have shit in the street like everyone else....and
I
> > seriously doubt anyone would have been sleeping in the first 48 hours...
> >
>
> To have just one person crap in the street is not per se a problem but
> when you have hundreds of people (more people than were originally
> there) doing it then you have a health problem that is compounding the
> existing problem.  Even in the first 48 hrs there will be people
> sleeping that is just good management of resources and the reason you
> have extra personell.  You neglected to say where they were to have
> staged? How would you communicate with them?  YOu know those pesky
> question that need to be answered.

Two words: Gretna - cellphone

Game-set-match my ass, you Fascist enabler.
>
> MRC