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On 9/11/05 1:33 AM, in article 4323b377$0$10631$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org,
"wrcowan1@hal-pc.org" <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote:

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> Chris wrote:
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>> <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
>> news:432270c5$0$10628$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
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>>> Chris wrote:
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>>>> <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:43210d1d$0$10630$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
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>>>>> Chris wrote:
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>>>>>> "Chris" <vscooter@nospam.copper.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:43207e46_4@newsfeed.slurp.net...
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>>>>>>> "Obwon" <obllOob@att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:ucq0i1tvt9hhi01hgbp3sag7koenev86lc@4ax.com...
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Please Phil, there were offers of help pouring in from
>>>>>>>> all over the world.  Bush kept them out by refusing
>>>>>>>> aid.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You are wrong, Foriegn aid is being accepted.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There was plenty of food and water in NO, it was
>>>>>>>> in the stores that had been abandoned.  Obviously there
>>>>>>>> was a plan...   To see to it that as many people would
>>>>>>>> die as could be killed by benevolent neglect.  Everyone
>>>>>>>> was working hard to keep aid,  food and water from
>>>>>>>> coming in.  Or do you somehow believe that it takes
>>>>>>>> three days to drive trucks from Texas and Fla to NO?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Govenor of the state of Louisiana blocked food and supplies from
>>>>> reaching people trapped at the New Orleans Convention Center and the
>>>>> Louisiana Superdome.  Those were supplies had locally.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now as to getting trucks in from Texas and Fla, the roads were not
>>>>> passable.  It takes to to map and safe route for convoys to travel.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yeah, it is funny how kids could steal school busses to get people out
>>>> 
>>>> but
>>>> 
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>>>>>>> the government couldn't get military trucks in for three
>> 
>> days.....those
>> 
>>>>>> must
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> be some damn powerful busses. Oops, I ruined another one of the bush
>>>>>>> faithfuls arguments...damn me all to hell.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry to bust your bubble, but the mayor of New Orleans had hundreds of
>>>>> buses available to evacuate people on.  Houston;s Metro offered to send
>>>>> every available bus to N.O. to help in the evacuation of the city but
>>>>> were turned down by the mayor.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As for the kid who stole a bus, the question is where was he when he
>>>>> found the bus and where were the people he picked up located?  Could it
>>>>> be he originated from an area not as flooded ans the rest of the city?
>>>>> How long did it take him ot get out?  How many times did he have to
>>>>> change route?  YOu know it is easy for someone who lives in the city to
>>>>> find route out.  For those who do not it is not easy to get into a
>>>>> flooded city not knowing which streets are passable and which are not.
>>>>> It takes time to map a route that is safe and passable.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> MRC
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> So you are saying there is no one from NO in the military who knows
>> 
>> there
>> 
>>>> way around the city? And have you heard of this new thing called GPS and
>>>> satellite imaging? You could find your way around downtown Baghdad at
>> 
>> night
>> 
>>>> in a snowstorm...so don't tell me they couldn't fine their way around NO
>> 
>> in
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>>>> the daytime....
>>> 
>>> 
>>> No, I am not saying that but the majority of the Guard units brought in
>>> did not know the city.  This is not star trek.  Gizmos are nice but a
>>> GPS can not tell you what is passible or not.  Not all guard units have
>>> the latest GPS systems.  Satilite imaging is not something that
>>> individual units have nor is something the Guard units are equiped with.
>>>  Further more Saltilite imaging does not tell you what is passiable
>>> (i.e debris or water depth).  When disaster strikes, GPS and Satelite
>>> imaging  can be worthless wheter you are in Bagdad or New Orleans.
>>> 
>>> MRC
>> 
>> 
>> You don't need the latest GPS....hell the one in my truck could have gotten
>> me through there and it is a retail version. And sattelite imaging can tell
>> you quite a bit about the waters depth...like if all you can see of a hosue
>> is it's roof, then the water is too deep....but if you can see the hubcaps
>> on a Hyundai then it is probably okay to go in there with your $120,000
>> Hummer....get real and think before you respond...
> 
> 
> Perhaps your GPS could have and perhaps it could not.  When an area gets
> messed up it hard to tell for sure where you are even with a map (that
> is basically a GPS is, a glorified map).  Satellite images can not tell
> you much about the water depth.  Who ever sold you that bill of goods is
> laugh his but off all the way to the bank.  If the water is halfway up a
> building it is too high to pass satelite immaging available to you and
> us and hte grunts in the field if the are ven equipt with that device
> are not real time and are not high resolution.  Those are directed to op
> centers not real time in the field.
> 
> Clearly you have no clue as to the uses, capabilities and limitiations
> of satelite imaging.  You must be using Google maps too much.
> 
> MRC
Scooter thinks there are no clouds over the city and he also thinks IR can
see through water vapor as well. Don't disillusion him...


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