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> Chris wrote:
> > <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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> >>Obwon wrote:
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> >>>As the National Guard delivered food to the New Orleans
> >>>convention center yesterday, American Red Cross
> >>>officials said that federal emergency management
> >>>authorities would not allow them to do the same.
> >>
> >>The National Guard was the one controling the roads and not FEMA.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Other relief agencies say the area is so damaged and
> >>>dangerous that they doubted they could conduct mass
> >>>feeding there now.
> >>
> >>Could this be the reason why people who came down to help were not
> >>allowed to do so?  Off course it is the reason.
> >>
> >>
> >>>"The Homeland Security Department has requested and
> >>>continues to request that the American Red Cross not
> >>>come back into New Orleans," said Renita Hosler,
> >>>spokeswoman for the Red Cross.
> >>>
> >>>"Right now access is controlled by the National Guard
> >>>and local authorities. We have been at the table every
> >>>single day [asking for access]. We cannot get into New
> >>>Orleans against their orders."
> >>>
> >>
> >>There it is the National Guard, controlled by the Govenor and not the
> >>Federal Government, controlled access to the city.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>>Though frustrated, Hosler understood the reasons. The
> >>>goal is to move people out of an uninhabitable city,
> >>>and relief operations might keep them there. Security
> >>>is so bad that she fears feeding stations might get
> >>>ransacked.
> >>
> >>
> >>Hmmm, another good reason to keep the masss of volunteers out.
> >
> >
> > Yeah that's a good reason....why not send in troops with the food
stations
> > and help the people who were not causing trouble....you know, that 90%
who
> > just wanted to live....nice plan there georgie...
> >
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> As the Govenor of Louisian that question.  She is the one who is
> responsible for the National Guard.

Not after bushco declared it a national disaster...go read that FEMA
document again would you....



 Ask her why she did not call up
> enough troops before hand?  Ask her why she delayed in sending them in
> and why she delayed asking for more trrops?  Ask her why she refused to
> allow the Federal Government to step in and provide trrops early in the
> disaster?


You mean the federal troops that you say couldn't get there? Now that is a
logical statement....not.

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> >>>Obstacles in downtown New Orleans have stymied rescuers
> >>>who got there. The Salvation Army has two of its
> >>>officers trapped with more than 200 people -- three
> >>>requiring dialysis -- in its own downtown building.
> >>>They were alerted by a 30-second plea for food and
> >>>water before the phone went dead.
> >>>
> >>>On Wednesday, The Salvation Army rented three boats for
> >>>a rescue operation. They knew the situation was
> >>>desperate, and that their own people were inside, said
> >>>Maj. Donna Hood, associate director of development for
> >>>the Army.
> >>>
> >>>"The boats couldn't get through," she said. Although
> >>>she doesn't know the details, she believes huge debris
> >>>and electrical wires made passage impossible.
> >>
> >>If boasts had trouble getting in the nvehicular traffic would have the
> >>same trouble.
> >
> >
> > Ummm...no...there were many roads that were not under water.....and tehy
> > could have made it to the damn superdome before it became
thunderdome....
> >
>
> But did those roads lead to every spot that had people that needed help?

So if you can't help everybody, then don't help anybody?? Sound like the
kind of logic that will get you far in this administration...


>   No they did not.  The area around the superdome was under water.  To
> get vehicular traffic there takes time.  YOu first have to find a safe
> route that is not totally flooded out that can be used by all the
> personnel that you need not just those who can get through.  Thereal
> question is why was the superdome used when the emergency plan called
> for the school buses to be used to transport people out?


Because the local government had collapsed and they couldn't stage a news
conference much les an evacuation by that time.

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> >>
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> >>>Because New Orleans remains under water, it is
> >>>different from other cities where Katrina struck
> >>>harder, but where relief efforts are proceeding
> >>>normally. Agencies place workers and supplies outside
> >>>disaster areas before storms, to move in quickly. But
> >>>there are always delays, Burton said, because nothing
> >>>is deployed until experts survey the damage and decide
> >>>where to most effectively put relief services.
> >>
> >>
> >>Again another reason why it took time to get any amount of supplies in
> >>and people out.
> >
> >
> > Meanwhile just let the people die until we do a "study" of what's
> > needed....here's a free clue FOOD AND WATER!!
> >
>
> Another clueless statement.  YOu have to assess what supplies you have.
>   Then you have to assess what means do you have to get them there.
> Next you assess the personel available.  Then you identifiy and
> prioritize those in need.  This does take time.  Sure you could go out
> and make drops of food and water but you have to make sure that not all
> your drops are in one place and another place is totally ignored.  It
> take time and coordination.  But as you well know the National Guard, at
> the orders of the Govenor prevented relief supplies from being delieverd.


So you spend four days "assessing" while people are dying rather than just
getting any kind of help in there that you can to reduce some of the
suffering. Typical...forget the people...we want to make sure we have a
pretty plan....

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> >>>After Katrina, he thought he would have to airlift a
> >>>feeding unit to one isolated town, but a road was
> >>>cleared, he said. He doubts that dropping a kitchen
> >>>into the New Orleans' poisoned waters, filled with raw
> >>>sewage, dead bodies and possible industrial
> >>>contaminants, would do any good. It made sense to
> >>>prepare meals outside the area and truck them in or
> >>>bring people out.
> >>
> >>Logistics is a taks that so many do not understand.  If you are having
> >>trouble feeding those who are in the city already, think about the
> >>problems that would be encountered if you let every group that wanted to
> >>help in?  They would have problems with getting food, water, sanitation
> >>and someplace to sleeep.
> >
> >
> > Or they would have there own food...since that was what they were
> > bringing...they could have shit in the street like everyone else....and
I
> > seriously doubt anyone would have been sleeping in the first 48 hours...
> >
>
> To have just one person crap in the street is not per se a problem but
> when you have hundreds of people (more people than were originally
> there) doing it then you have a health problem that is compounding the
> existing problem.  Even in the first 48 hrs there will be people
> sleeping that is just good management of resources and the reason you
> have extra personell.  You neglected to say where they were to have
> staged? How would you communicate with them?  YOu know those pesky
> question that need to be answered.
>
> MRC


People were already crapping in the street.....a few thousand more would not
have made much of a difference....or they might even have had a few porta
potties to go with the relief workers....nah, they wouldn't have thought of
that would they.
As for communications.....how the hell do you think they communicate in Iraq
when they are in battle....sattelite phones perhaps...or maybe they have
their own communications setups that travel with them....geez are you being
purposefully obtuse or do you just not know anything?