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Kurtz wrote:
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>>Kurtz wrote:
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>>>>Kurtz wrote:
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>>>>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>wrcowan1@hal-pc.org wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>Phil wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:58:28 GMT, slim <pickin's@nyc.rr.com>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>Phil wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On 5 Sep 2005 23:03:13 -0700, "moorehead"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><moorehead_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>He was on vacation.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No such thing.  Sorry!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mike is just upset that Bush wasn't down there from day one,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOWN THERE FROM DAY ONE!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>Doing what?  Throwing sandbags on the levee?  Risking drowning?
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>>>>>What
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>>>>>>>>>>>>should the president have done during a hurricane?
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I answered your question, you drunkard. Read below.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>HE SHOULD HAVE SHOWN COMPASSION AND LEADERSHIP.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>Instead, he took two more days on his FIVE WEEK VACATION!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>What should he have done while the hurricane was in New Orleans?
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>>>>>>>>>>>Mobilize the national Guard, wake Chertoff up and get Homeland
>>>>>>>>>>>Security up and ready to respond to an iniment disaster.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The President can not call up or take control of the National
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> Guard
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>>>>>for
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>>>>>>>>>>a domestic issue without the Govenors approval or if he were
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> declare
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>>>>>an
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>>>>>>>>>>insurrection was occuring.
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>>>>>>>>>>The problem that occured was between local and federal agencies
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>>>trying
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>>>>>>>>>>to decide who was in charge.
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>>>>>>>>>The Office of Homeland Security overrides all state and local laws.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Was Brown buggering Chertoff while New Orleans drowned?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No, the Office of Homeland security does not override all state and
>>>>>>>>local laws.  Its powers are no different than those of the agencies
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> it
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>>>>>>>>oversees and coordinate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You are wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Others have posted thier mandate by law.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In a time of crisis, they are large and in charge...on paper anyway.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>They are in charge of federal dollars that are doled out for
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> rebuilding
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>>>>>>amd cleanup but that does not mean they take over the state functions.
>>>>>>The National guard is under state controls.  HomeLand security can not
>>>>>>take control of them.  Homelanad security can not take control of
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> local
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>>>>>>policing agencies.  Under the direction of Govenor of Lousiana, state
>>>>>>troopers and the National Guard keeped people and relief groups and
>>>>>>agencies away from New Orleans.
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>>>>>>MRC
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>>>>>And who is controlling the BlackWater MERCENARIES as they move through
>>>
>>>the
>>>
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>>>>>streets of NOLA tonight? Many people will have their 2nd amendment
>>>
>>>rights
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>>>>>violated tonight, and because we gave away our 1st amendment rights to
>>>>>ShrubCo in the name of Homeland Security, we will not see those who
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>>>insist
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>>>>>on their rights on the news tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>>Enjoy your New World Order, sleepy.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Constitution 1787- 2000  R.I.P.
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>>>>
>>>>Who are these blackwater Mercenaries?  Have you even investigate who is
>>>>taking the firearms?  It is the City of New Orleans!  Under the guise of
>>>>state law!  So it is not the Feds who are doing it!  You say you are in
>>>>favor of States Rights yet you are protesting a State Action!  The
>>>>Federal Government has not curtailed 1st amendment rights.  They are
>>>>still there.  the only ones who control themedia are the liberl elite!
>>>>That is why you do, as you have put it, "not see those who insist on
>>>>their rights on the news tomorrow."
>>>>
>>>>MRC
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>>>
>>>You ARE clueless, aren't you? Instead of spinnin' and blowin' smoke outa
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> yer
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>>>ass, why don't you take a little trip down to the Library and check out
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> the
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>>>Constitution. You obviously haven't read it since grade school. Just be
>>>aware that your reading it at a Library will probably put you on a list
>>>being compiled by the DHS.
>>>
>>>Enjoy your self, mrcoward.
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>>Sir, you clearly have no concept of what is in the Constitution, the
>>United State Code, and Public Law.
> 
> 
> I am no expert, but I can sense that the extraordinary curtailment of the
> press we have just witnessed isn't healthy for the First Amendment. CNN just
> had to force  ( by injunction ) the Government to allow free press access to
> the operations on the ground in NOLA. Someone doesn't want you to have the
> freedom to ignore or observe the truth.
> 

Perhaps but the first amendment does not give the media cart blanche to 
go as it please even when it may interfere with rescue and recovery 
efforts.  No one has shut the presses down or prohibited news from being 
reports.  Seen a wide variety of reports from the media.  Do not think 
that their abilities have been seriously hampered.

> 
> And the Second is looking pretty sickly, too!

> 
> Okay, and the Fourth....
> 
> 
> Oh, and the tenth.....
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>>Just what part are you complaining about?
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> 
> I am complaining about someone who would so vociferously defend the
> indefensable.
> 
>  Are you protesting a state
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>>action or is it a Federal Action?
> 
> 
> I draw your attention to the armtwisting of the Governor of Louisianna to
> force her to relenquish control of the Guard and Police forces to the
> ShrubCo. cabal. She balked, and that rat bastard punished her by withholding
> the command to 'GO!'. So thousands more died by the hand of an evil
> sun-of-a-bitch and his henchmen.

You are so ignorant.  Read the law.  The president is restricted in how 
he can deploy federal troop.  It boils down to the Govenor giving 
control over so that federal troops can come in or for the president to 
remove the power from the govenor as proscribed by law.  What would you 
prefer.  Remember you need to stay within the confines of the law.

> 
>  It is the action of the Blackwater
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>>Merc's and just who are they?
> 
> 
> Do your own research: you would not believe me if I gave you the correct
> time.....
> but they are a disturbing example of the ShrubCo.'s extraconstitutional use
> of mecenary troops both in Iraq, and here in NOLA
> 

You are paranoid beyond reason.   Those stories rank right up there with 
one I heard yesterday saying the airforce has an airplan that uses laser 
beams to create hurricanes of an size and power It also can use it to 
steer hurricane anywhere they want it to go and cause a storm surge of 
any height.  Pure delusional fantasy.

> 
> You are spewing so much garbage you make
> 
>>no sense!
> 
> 
> Or is reality like a firehose aimed at a teacup?

> 
> Reality HURTS LIKE HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do not avoid it. The pain will wake you
> from your long dream.
> 
>  it you wish to have an intellegent discussion then spell out
> 
>>you points clearly with out all the dellusional spin.
> 
> 
> If you are actually receptive to the intelligent conversation about the
> score of points that our interaction has generated, you must be more honest
> with yourself.
> 
> There are bloated bodies in the streets of what was once the greatest and
> richest nation
> in the world.
> 
> How did we come to this?
> 
> 
> It will all soon be apparent to you if you do some research with an honest
> and open mind. You are intelligent, so look at what is being blogged,
> covered in the REAL press ( try going to the English press, and the
> AsiaTimes is pretty good too ) and maybe consider going to the DU.
> 
> They are followers of Reality-Based democracy, and they tend to source
> things out very well, and the information flows freely.
> 
> Don't rely on rightwing sources. Right now they appear to be in
> misdirection, denial, and coverup mode.
> 
>  And finally, play devils advocate. Spend Sunday roleplaying Kurtz. After
> all, he IS just a character in a book....
> 
> Look to the internet, though the meatpuppet parade should be pretty
> interesting this day.....take the opposite view from your present political
> leanings, and research the Downing Street minutes, The Plame case, the
> Fitzgerald grand jury, Blackwater, the ACLU and the continuing Abu Garaib
> coverup. Read the Project for a New American Century, and notice how is has
> influenced todays' situation. A grand game, but one that, when poorly
> played, has devestating consequences......
> 
> If there is a crack in your reality, pry it open and look outside.
> 
> I do the same exercise ( I would REALLY like to be a old-fashioned
> Republican, but Pandoras box has been smashed to pieces, and I fear we will
> never be able to go there again.....) but all I find is an unsustainable
> Potemkin nation teetering on the brink of complete failure due to the
> realities of this day.
> 
> Good Mornin' America...doncha know me I'm your native son.....
> 


I do on a regular base do read and research a variety source of 
information.  I know when to use filters to get at the truth but not so 
cynical to know that it may be in plain sight.

I also have read a great deal about ancient history and their societies. 
  To see the lesson to be applied today.  I look to our own history to 
see what has changed and what has not.  I see reporters not reporting 
the news but being a part of the news.  ABC, NBC, CNN, Washington Post, 
Houston Chronicle, theNation and even Fox News are guilty of that.  I do 
not have a high regard for journalist anymore.  Read the paper and see 
the trash that passes as news.  It all really \op-ed now.


It is late and that all I care to write for now.

MRC