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"George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 9/12/05 9:24 AM, in article 614bi1tduanlf5j7mc7ibf99v7ecuau6ob@4ax.com,
> "Obwon" <obllOob@att.net> wrote:
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> > On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 00:30:53 -0700, wrcowan1@hal-pc.org
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Kurtz wrote:
> >>> <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> >>> news:4323ad07$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Chris wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:43226972$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Obwon wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As the National Guard delivered food to the New Orleans
> >>>>>>> convention center yesterday, American Red Cross
> >>>>>>> officials said that federal emergency management
> >>>>>>> authorities would not allow them to do the same.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The National Guard was the one controling the roads and not FEMA.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Other relief agencies say the area is so damaged and
> >>>>>>> dangerous that they doubted they could conduct mass
> >>>>>>> feeding there now.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Could this be the reason why people who came down to help were not
> >>>>>> allowed to do so?  Off course it is the reason.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "The Homeland Security Department has requested and
> >>>>>>> continues to request that the American Red Cross not
> >>>>>>> come back into New Orleans," said Renita Hosler,
> >>>>>>> spokeswoman for the Red Cross.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Right now access is controlled by the National Guard
> >>>>>>> and local authorities. We have been at the table every
> >>>>>>> single day [asking for access]. We cannot get into New
> >>>>>>> Orleans against their orders."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There it is the National Guard, controlled by the Govenor and not
the
> >>>>>> Federal Government, controlled access to the city.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Though frustrated, Hosler understood the reasons. The
> >>>>>>> goal is to move people out of an uninhabitable city,
> >>>>>>> and relief operations might keep them there. Security
> >>>>>>> is so bad that she fears feeding stations might get
> >>>>>>> ransacked.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hmmm, another good reason to keep the masss of volunteers out.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yeah that's a good reason....why not send in troops with the food
> >>>
> >>> stations
> >>>
> >>>>> and help the people who were not causing trouble....you know, that
90%
> >>>
> >>> who
> >>>
> >>>>> just wanted to live....nice plan there georgie...
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> As the Govenor of Louisian that question.  She is the one who is
> >>>> responsible for the National Guard.  Ask her why she did not call up
> >>>> enough troops before hand?  Ask her why she delayed in sending them
in
> >>>> and why she delayed asking for more trrops?  Ask her why she refused
to
> >>>> allow the Federal Government to step in and provide trrops early in
the
> >>>> disaster?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Obstacles in downtown New Orleans have stymied rescuers
> >>>>>>> who got there. The Salvation Army has two of its
> >>>>>>> officers trapped with more than 200 people -- three
> >>>>>>> requiring dialysis -- in its own downtown building.
> >>>>>>> They were alerted by a 30-second plea for food and
> >>>>>>> water before the phone went dead.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, The Salvation Army rented three boats for
> >>>>>>> a rescue operation. They knew the situation was
> >>>>>>> desperate, and that their own people were inside, said
> >>>>>>> Maj. Donna Hood, associate director of development for
> >>>>>>> the Army.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "The boats couldn't get through," she said. Although
> >>>>>>> she doesn't know the details, she believes huge debris
> >>>>>>> and electrical wires made passage impossible.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If boasts had trouble getting in the nvehicular traffic would have
the
> >>>>>> same trouble.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ummm...no...there were many roads that were not under water.....and
tehy
> >>>>> could have made it to the damn superdome before it became
> >>>
> >>> thunderdome....
> >>>
> >>>> But did those roads lead to every spot that had people that needed
help?
> >>>>  No they did not.  The area around the superdome was under water.  To
> >>>> get vehicular traffic there takes time.  YOu first have to find a
safe
> >>>> route that is not totally flooded out that can be used by all the
> >>>> personnel that you need not just those who can get through.  Thereal
> >>>> question is why was the superdome used when the emergency plan called
> >>>> for the school buses to be used to transport people out?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Because New Orleans remains under water, it is
> >>>>>>> different from other cities where Katrina struck
> >>>>>>> harder, but where relief efforts are proceeding
> >>>>>>> normally. Agencies place workers and supplies outside
> >>>>>>> disaster areas before storms, to move in quickly. But
> >>>>>>> there are always delays, Burton said, because nothing
> >>>>>>> is deployed until experts survey the damage and decide
> >>>>>>> where to most effectively put relief services.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Again another reason why it took time to get any amount of supplies
in
> >>>>>> and people out.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Meanwhile just let the people die until we do a "study" of what's
> >>>>> needed....here's a free clue FOOD AND WATER!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Another clueless statement.  YOu have to assess what supplies you
have.
> >>>>  Then you have to assess what means do you have to get them there.
> >>>> Next you assess the personel available.  Then you identifiy and
> >>>> prioritize those in need.  This does take time.  Sure you could go
out
> >>>> and make drops of food and water but you have to make sure that not
all
> >>>> your drops are in one place and another place is totally ignored.  It
> >>>> take time and coordination.  But as you well know the National Guard,
at
> >>>> the orders of the Govenor prevented relief supplies from being
delieverd.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> After Katrina, he thought he would have to airlift a
> >>>>>>> feeding unit to one isolated town, but a road was
> >>>>>>> cleared, he said. He doubts that dropping a kitchen
> >>>>>>> into the New Orleans' poisoned waters, filled with raw
> >>>>>>> sewage, dead bodies and possible industrial
> >>>>>>> contaminants, would do any good. It made sense to
> >>>>>>> prepare meals outside the area and truck them in or
> >>>>>>> bring people out.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Logistics is a taks that so many do not understand.  If you are
having
> >>>>>> trouble feeding those who are in the city already, think about the
> >>>>>> problems that would be encountered if you let every group that
wanted to
> >>>>>> help in?  They would have problems with getting food, water,
sanitation
> >>>>>> and someplace to sleeep.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Or they would have there own food...since that was what they were
> >>>>> bringing...they could have shit in the street like everyone
else....and
> >>>
> >>> I
> >>>
> >>>>> seriously doubt anyone would have been sleeping in the first 48
hours...
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> To have just one person crap in the street is not per se a problem
but
> >>>> when you have hundreds of people (more people than were originally
> >>>> there) doing it then you have a health problem that is compounding
the
> >>>> existing problem.  Even in the first 48 hrs there will be people
> >>>> sleeping that is just good management of resources and the reason you
> >>>> have extra personell.  You neglected to say where they were to have
> >>>> staged? How would you communicate with them?  YOu know those pesky
> >>>> question that need to be answered.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Two words: Gretna - cellphone
> >>>
> >>> Game-set-match my ass, you Fascist enabler.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cellphones communicate with Cell phone towers which require power to
> >> work.  Many of them were damaged or even under water.  Even satelite
> >> phones were not working.
> >>
> >> Game Set Match!  read it and Weep.!
> >>
> >> MRC
> >
> >   Right you are,  so now all you have to do is explain
> > how all those reporters were managing to file their
> > stories with video and sound footage over the entire
> > course of the disaster.
> >
> 1. Microwave trucks
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> 2. Satellite trucks
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> 3. Generators
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> And last-but not least----
> (unlike the City and State Govt.)
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> 4. Preparation
>
> There-it isn't THAT difficult is it?
> Good child. Next question...

No goergie, the question was why didn't the gubment use the same technology
to communicate....but nice try at deflection of the ineptitude of the
gubment...

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