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On 9/13/05 2:03 AM, in article 43267b2d_4@newsfeed.slurp.net, "Chris"
<vscooter@nospam.copper.net> wrote:

> 
> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:BF4AFD11.28268%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/12/05 9:24 AM, in article 614bi1tduanlf5j7mc7ibf99v7ecuau6ob@4ax.com,
>> "Obwon" <obllOob@att.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 00:30:53 -0700, wrcowan1@hal-pc.org
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Kurtz wrote:
>>>>> <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4323ad07$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:43226972$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Obwon wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> As the National Guard delivered food to the New Orleans
>>>>>>>>> convention center yesterday, American Red Cross
>>>>>>>>> officials said that federal emergency management
>>>>>>>>> authorities would not allow them to do the same.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The National Guard was the one controling the roads and not FEMA.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Other relief agencies say the area is so damaged and
>>>>>>>>> dangerous that they doubted they could conduct mass
>>>>>>>>> feeding there now.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Could this be the reason why people who came down to help were not
>>>>>>>> allowed to do so?  Off course it is the reason.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> "The Homeland Security Department has requested and
>>>>>>>>> continues to request that the American Red Cross not
>>>>>>>>> come back into New Orleans," said Renita Hosler,
>>>>>>>>> spokeswoman for the Red Cross.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> "Right now access is controlled by the National Guard
>>>>>>>>> and local authorities. We have been at the table every
>>>>>>>>> single day [asking for access]. We cannot get into New
>>>>>>>>> Orleans against their orders."
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There it is the National Guard, controlled by the Govenor and not
> the
>>>>>>>> Federal Government, controlled access to the city.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Though frustrated, Hosler understood the reasons. The
>>>>>>>>> goal is to move people out of an uninhabitable city,
>>>>>>>>> and relief operations might keep them there. Security
>>>>>>>>> is so bad that she fears feeding stations might get
>>>>>>>>> ransacked.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hmmm, another good reason to keep the masss of volunteers out.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yeah that's a good reason....why not send in troops with the food
>>>>> 
>>>>> stations
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> and help the people who were not causing trouble....you know, that
> 90%
>>>>> 
>>>>> who
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> just wanted to live....nice plan there georgie...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As the Govenor of Louisian that question.  She is the one who is
>>>>>> responsible for the National Guard.  Ask her why she did not call up
>>>>>> enough troops before hand?  Ask her why she delayed in sending them
> in
>>>>>> and why she delayed asking for more trrops?  Ask her why she refused
> to
>>>>>> allow the Federal Government to step in and provide trrops early in
> the
>>>>>> disaster?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Obstacles in downtown New Orleans have stymied rescuers
>>>>>>>>> who got there. The Salvation Army has two of its
>>>>>>>>> officers trapped with more than 200 people -- three
>>>>>>>>> requiring dialysis -- in its own downtown building.
>>>>>>>>> They were alerted by a 30-second plea for food and
>>>>>>>>> water before the phone went dead.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, The Salvation Army rented three boats for
>>>>>>>>> a rescue operation. They knew the situation was
>>>>>>>>> desperate, and that their own people were inside, said
>>>>>>>>> Maj. Donna Hood, associate director of development for
>>>>>>>>> the Army.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> "The boats couldn't get through," she said. Although
>>>>>>>>> she doesn't know the details, she believes huge debris
>>>>>>>>> and electrical wires made passage impossible.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If boasts had trouble getting in the nvehicular traffic would have
> the
>>>>>>>> same trouble.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ummm...no...there were many roads that were not under water.....and
> tehy
>>>>>>> could have made it to the damn superdome before it became
>>>>> 
>>>>> thunderdome....
>>>>> 
>>>>>> But did those roads lead to every spot that had people that needed
> help?
>>>>>>  No they did not.  The area around the superdome was under water.  To
>>>>>> get vehicular traffic there takes time.  YOu first have to find a
> safe
>>>>>> route that is not totally flooded out that can be used by all the
>>>>>> personnel that you need not just those who can get through.  Thereal
>>>>>> question is why was the superdome used when the emergency plan called
>>>>>> for the school buses to be used to transport people out?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Because New Orleans remains under water, it is
>>>>>>>>> different from other cities where Katrina struck
>>>>>>>>> harder, but where relief efforts are proceeding
>>>>>>>>> normally. Agencies place workers and supplies outside
>>>>>>>>> disaster areas before storms, to move in quickly. But
>>>>>>>>> there are always delays, Burton said, because nothing
>>>>>>>>> is deployed until experts survey the damage and decide
>>>>>>>>> where to most effectively put relief services.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Again another reason why it took time to get any amount of supplies
> in
>>>>>>>> and people out.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Meanwhile just let the people die until we do a "study" of what's
>>>>>>> needed....here's a free clue FOOD AND WATER!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Another clueless statement.  YOu have to assess what supplies you
> have.
>>>>>>  Then you have to assess what means do you have to get them there.
>>>>>> Next you assess the personel available.  Then you identifiy and
>>>>>> prioritize those in need.  This does take time.  Sure you could go
> out
>>>>>> and make drops of food and water but you have to make sure that not
> all
>>>>>> your drops are in one place and another place is totally ignored.  It
>>>>>> take time and coordination.  But as you well know the National Guard,
> at
>>>>>> the orders of the Govenor prevented relief supplies from being
> delieverd.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> After Katrina, he thought he would have to airlift a
>>>>>>>>> feeding unit to one isolated town, but a road was
>>>>>>>>> cleared, he said. He doubts that dropping a kitchen
>>>>>>>>> into the New Orleans' poisoned waters, filled with raw
>>>>>>>>> sewage, dead bodies and possible industrial
>>>>>>>>> contaminants, would do any good. It made sense to
>>>>>>>>> prepare meals outside the area and truck them in or
>>>>>>>>> bring people out.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Logistics is a taks that so many do not understand.  If you are
> having
>>>>>>>> trouble feeding those who are in the city already, think about the
>>>>>>>> problems that would be encountered if you let every group that
> wanted to
>>>>>>>> help in?  They would have problems with getting food, water,
> sanitation
>>>>>>>> and someplace to sleeep.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Or they would have there own food...since that was what they were
>>>>>>> bringing...they could have shit in the street like everyone
> else....and
>>>>> 
>>>>> I
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> seriously doubt anyone would have been sleeping in the first 48
> hours...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To have just one person crap in the street is not per se a problem
> but
>>>>>> when you have hundreds of people (more people than were originally
>>>>>> there) doing it then you have a health problem that is compounding
> the
>>>>>> existing problem.  Even in the first 48 hrs there will be people
>>>>>> sleeping that is just good management of resources and the reason you
>>>>>> have extra personell.  You neglected to say where they were to have
>>>>>> staged? How would you communicate with them?  YOu know those pesky
>>>>>> question that need to be answered.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Two words: Gretna - cellphone
>>>>> 
>>>>> Game-set-match my ass, you Fascist enabler.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cellphones communicate with Cell phone towers which require power to
>>>> work.  Many of them were damaged or even under water.  Even satelite
>>>> phones were not working.
>>>> 
>>>> Game Set Match!  read it and Weep.!
>>>> 
>>>> MRC
>>> 
>>>   Right you are,  so now all you have to do is explain
>>> how all those reporters were managing to file their
>>> stories with video and sound footage over the entire
>>> course of the disaster.
>>> 
>> 1. Microwave trucks
>> 
>> 2. Satellite trucks
>> 
>> 3. Generators
>> 
>> And last-but not least----
>> (unlike the City and State Govt.)
>> 
>> 4. Preparation
>> 
>> There-it isn't THAT difficult is it?
>> Good child. Next question...
> 
> No goergie, the question was why didn't the gubment use the same technology
> to communicate....but nice try at deflection of the ineptitude of the
> gubment...
>
Scooter, please see #4 above. Concentrate.


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