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Started by Trace
Sun, 05 Jun 2005 05:28
Your Location Will Soon Be Tracked By Government:
Author: Trace
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 05:28
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Full Story: http://news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=644303&host=3&dir=66 Satellite toll plan to make drivers pay by the mile Darling orders nationwide road pricing. Charge of £1.34 a mile on busiest roads By Francis Elliott, Deputy Political Editor 05 June 2005 British motorists face paying a new charge for every mile they drive in a revolutionary scheme to be introduced within two years. Drivers will pay according to when and how far they travel throughout the country's road network under proposals being developed by the Government. Alistair Darling, the Secretary of State for Transport, revealed that pilot areas will be selected in just 24 months' time as he made clear his determination to press ahead with a national road pricing scheme. Each of Britain's 24 million vehicles would be tracked by satellite if a variable "pay-as-you-drive" charge replaces the current road tax. In an interview with The Independent on Sunday, Mr Darling warned that unless action is taken now, the country "could face gridlock" within two decades. Official research suggests national road pricing could increase the capacity of Britain's network by as much as 40 per cent at a stroke, he said. The rapid uptake of satellite navigational technology in cars is helping to usher in the new "pay-as-you-drive" charge much sooner than had been expected. Figures contained in a government feasibility study have suggested motorists could pay up to £1.34 for each mile they travel during peak hours on the most congested roads. Although a fully operational national scheme is still considered to be a decade away, Mr Darling said local schemes could be up and running within five years. Manchester is considered a front-runner, with local authorities in the Midlands and London also pressing to be considered for a £2.5bn central fund to introduce the change. Most of the necessary technology already exists. Lorries will be tracked by satellite and charged accordingly from 2007. The main obstacle to constructing a scheme to track Britain's 24 million private vehicles is public opinion, and Mr Darling is determined to start making the case now. "You could dance around this for years but every year the problem is getting worse," he said. "We have got to do everything we can during the course of this Parliament to decide whether or not we go with road pricing. Something of this magnitude will span several parliaments and you need 'buy-in' not just from political parties but also from the general public. "Drivers have got to see that they benefit," he said, adding that one of the "weaknesses" of the congestion charging scheme introduced in the capital by the Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, was that it delivered a "general benefit not a particular benefit". Motorists could feel they are paying a penalty to support buses they do not use. The national road-pricing scheme, by contrast, has got to work so there's "something in it for me", said Mr Darling in advance of a keynote speech on the issue this Thursday.
Re: Your Location Will Soon Be Tracked By Government:
Author: Zod
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 06:12
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 06:12
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"Trace" <tracey12_12@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1117949281.622375.237180@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... Full Story: http://news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=644303&host=3&dir=66 Satellite toll plan to make drivers pay by the mile Darling orders nationwide road pricing. Charge of �1.34 a mile on busiest roads By Francis Elliott, Deputy Political Editor 05 June 2005 British motorists face paying a new charge for every mile they drive in a revolutionary scheme to be introduced within two years. Drivers will pay according to when and how far they travel throughout the country's road network under proposals being developed by the Government. Alistair Darling, the Secretary of State for Transport, revealed that pilot areas will be selected in just 24 months' time as he made clear his determination to press ahead with a national road pricing scheme. Each of Britain's 24 million vehicles would be tracked by satellite if a variable "pay-as-you-drive" charge replaces the current road tax. *** The cost of tracking each one of the 24,000,000 every minuit will far exceed whatever they collect in tolls. Never happen.
Re: Your Location Will Soon Be Tracked By Government:
Author: slim
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 01:57
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 01:57
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Trace wrote: > > Full Story: > http://news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=644303&host=3&dir=66 > > Satellite toll plan to make drivers pay by the mile > > Darling orders nationwide road pricing. Charge of �1.34 a mile on > busiest roads > By Francis Elliott, Deputy Political Editor > 05 June 2005 > > British motorists face paying a new charge for every mile they drive in > a revolutionary scheme to be introduced within two years. > > Drivers will pay according to when and how far they travel throughout > the country's road network under proposals being developed by the > Government. So much for Freedom. Heil Big Brother!!!! -------------------- �What�s the difference?� ~ George W. Bush, 2003-12-16 in an interview with Diane Sawyer, excusing his lie that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, by claiming that there was no difference between having weapons and wanting to have them. Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon. Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum. Rumsfeld confesses on video. http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm "This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. Having said that, all options are on the table," George Bush, February 22, 2005 RayGun sends his lackey to kiss Saddam's ass. http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/files/clips/TimRyan_Medium.mov http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm "Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim
Re: Your Location Will Soon Be Tracked By Government:
Author: slim
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 01:58
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 01:58
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Zod wrote: > > "Trace" <tracey12_12@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1117949281.622375.237180@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Full Story: > http://news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=644303&host=3&dir=66 > > Satellite toll plan to make drivers pay by the mile > > Darling orders nationwide road pricing. Charge of �1.34 a mile on > busiest roads > By Francis Elliott, Deputy Political Editor > 05 June 2005 > > British motorists face paying a new charge for every mile they drive in > a revolutionary scheme to be introduced within two years. > > Drivers will pay according to when and how far they travel throughout > the country's road network under proposals being developed by the > Government. > > Alistair Darling, the Secretary of State for Transport, revealed that > pilot areas will be selected in just 24 months' time as he made clear > his determination to press ahead with a national road pricing scheme. > > Each of Britain's 24 million vehicles would be tracked by satellite if > a variable "pay-as-you-drive" charge replaces the current road tax. > > *** The cost of tracking each one of the 24,000,000 every minuit will far > exceed whatever they collect in tolls. > Never happen. You underestimate computerization. -------------------- �What�s the difference?� ~ George W. Bush, 2003-12-16 in an interview with Diane Sawyer, excusing his lie that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, by claiming that there was no difference between having weapons and wanting to have them. Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon. Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum. Rumsfeld confesses on video. http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm "This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. Having said that, all options are on the table," George Bush, February 22, 2005 RayGun sends his lackey to kiss Saddam's ass. http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/files/clips/TimRyan_Medium.mov http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm "Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim
Re: Your Location Will Soon Be Tracked By Government:
Author: Zod
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 02:14
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 02:14
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"slim" <pickin's@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message news:42A3AFB7.92F5F5A0@nyc.rr.com... > > > Zod wrote: > > > > "Trace" <tracey12_12@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:1117949281.622375.237180@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Full Story: > > http://news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=644303&host=3&dir=66 > > > > Satellite toll plan to make drivers pay by the mile > > > > Darling orders nationwide road pricing. Charge of �1.34 a mile on > > busiest roads > > By Francis Elliott, Deputy Political Editor > > 05 June 2005 > > > > British motorists face paying a new charge for every mile they drive in > > a revolutionary scheme to be introduced within two years. > > > > Drivers will pay according to when and how far they travel throughout > > the country's road network under proposals being developed by the > > Government. > > > > Alistair Darling, the Secretary of State for Transport, revealed that > > pilot areas will be selected in just 24 months' time as he made clear > > his determination to press ahead with a national road pricing scheme. > > > > Each of Britain's 24 million vehicles would be tracked by satellite if > > a variable "pay-as-you-drive" charge replaces the current road tax. > > > > *** The cost of tracking each one of the 24,000,000 every minuit will far > > exceed whatever they collect in tolls. > > Never happen. > > You underestimate computerization. > that is not the problem, it is initial cost, installing it, and maintaining it. Someone has to go to the car and install it, someone has to upgrade the SW from XP to Microsnot Nextrev. It cost at least $2000 a car min. U overestimate technology.
Re: Your Location Will Soon Be Tracked By Government:
Author: rick++
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:41
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:41
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Most GM cars over $30K already have this capability, but it isnt fully activated unless you pay an OnStar subscription. Some telemetry is saved for mechanical diagnostics, especially in accidents.
Re: Your Location Will Soon Be Tracked By Government:
Author: slim
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:54
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:54
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rick++ wrote: > > Most GM cars over $30K already have this capability, > but it isnt fully activated unless you pay an OnStar > subscription. Some telemetry is saved for mechanical > diagnostics, especially in accidents. Twenty bucks a month is a lot for thier service. -------------------- "But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about." -White House Press Briefing, April 10, 2003 �What�s the difference?� ~ George W. Bush, 2003-12-16 in an interview with Diane Sawyer, excusing his lie that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, by claiming that there was no difference between having weapons and wanting to have them. Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon. Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum. Rumsfeld confesses on video. http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm "This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. Having said that, all options are on the table," George Bush, February 22, 2005 RayGun sends his lackey to kiss Saddam's ass. http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.c
Re: Your Location Will Soon Be Tracked By Government:
Author: nobody
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 20:28
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 20:28
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Zod <spamless@spamless.com> writes: > *** The cost of tracking each one of the 24,000,000 every minuit will far > exceed whatever they collect in tolls. Since when has that ever stopped any of these bozos from pissing away even more of our money.....
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