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sroberts@whanganui.ac.nz (Shane Roberts) writes:
>Hi Folks,
>
>Can anyone help me recover a Conner CP30104H IDE Hard Drive from 
>a low  level format?
[...]

the drive is probably fine, most IDE drives interpret the low-level
format to mean, write zeros to the tracks.  the thing is, you've
wiped out ALL of your data, and i believe the best you can hope
for is to re-partition and re-format the drive.  you need a bootable
floppy disk with FDISK and FORMAT on it.  use FDISK to partition
the drive and FORMAT /S to format and transfer the system files
to the hard disk.  otherwise, you're gonna need the the MS-DOS
or PC-DOS install diskettes.

i think you can kiss your data good-bye, unless you can afford
to pay a fortune to some disk/data recovery service.  it's not
likely much of anything can be recovered.

hmm, i'm not sure, but maybe Norton Disk Doctor or something like
that can rebuild the partition if it hasn't been completely wiped.

good luck, and next time, pay ATTENTION to what you're doing!
--                    !                                                       
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You need to return your news reader program too  Busted margins? :)


In article <4idu3j$omt@nethost.whanganui.ac.nz>, sroberts@whanganui.ac.nz 
(Shane Roberts) wrote:
>Hi Folks,
>
>Can anyone 
>help me 
>recover a 
>Conner 
>CP30104H 
>IDE Hard 
>Drive from 
>a low 
> level 
>format?
>
>I was 
>preparing 
>the hard 
>drive for 
>installati
>on to my 
>computer 
>and
> used the 
>AMIBIOS 
>hard drive 
>format 
>utility, 
>oops, 
>didn't I 
>read some-
> where 
>that IDE 
>hard 
>drives 
>shouldn't 
>be low 
>level 
>formatted 
>and that
> some 
>drives had 
>to be 
>returned 
>to the 
>manufactur
>er if they 
>were? :-)
>
>Does 
>anyone 
>have a 
>programme 
>to aid in 
>bringing 
>this hard 
>drive back
> to life. 
> The 
>computer 
>doesn't 
>recognise 
>it and 
>Windows 
>3.1 says
> that it 
>doesn't 
>like the 
>HD's 
>driver.
>
>My system 
>is a 
>486SX25, 
>4Mb ram, 
>AMI bios, 
>running 
>MsDOS 6.22 
>and
> Windows 
>3.1.
>
>Many 
>thanks in 
>advance.  
>Any 
>assistance 
>would be 
>much 
>appreciate
>d.
> Thankyou.
>
>Shane 
>Roberts.
>
>
>Email:- sroberts@whanganui.ac.nz |
>        Wanganui                 |
>        New Zealand              |

On Sat, 16 Mar 96 16:15:16 GMT, sda19@net-link.net (Steve Davis)
wrote:

>You need to return your news reader program too  Busted margins? :)

And you need to return yours.  It seems yours wants to quote the
entire stupid message after your response.


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ray rixon <rixon@ozemail.com.au> writes:
[...]
>CHECH ALL JUMPERS ETC ON THE DRIVE ALSO FOR ANY UNFORESEEN THINGS, GOOD 
>LUCK!! RAY RIXON

what do 'jumper' blocks have to do with a low-level format???  nothing.
and STOP shouting, please!
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                                     \        /~~~                            
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fgm@unixg.ubc.ca  (francis) wrote:

>ray rixon <rixon@ozemail.com.au> writes:
>[...]
>>CHECH ALL JUMPERS ETC ON THE DRIVE ALSO FOR ANY UNFORESEEN THINGS, GOOD 
>>LUCK!! RAY RIXON

>what do 'jumper' blocks have to do with a low-level format???  nothing.
>and STOP shouting, please!
>--                    !                                                       
>fm                 __o                                        team OS/2 canada
>                 _`\<,_                                                       
>                (*)/ (*)                                                      
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\                          /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>                               \                        /                     
>                                ~~~~\             /~~~~~                      
>                                     \        /~~~                            
>	those who hate the most				love life the least


And you might try trimming your sig line to the maximum allowable four
lines.


***************************************************************
Fred Winterer      bankreef@ais.net
"Protect our constitution, it keeps us free!"
"Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here!"
***************************************************************

fgm@unixg.ubc.ca  (francis) wrote:

>ray rixon <rixon@ozemail.com.au> writes:
>[...]
>>CHECH ALL JUMPERS ETC ON THE DRIVE ALSO FOR ANY UNFORESEEN THINGS, GOOD 
>>LUCK!! RAY RIXON

>what do 'jumper' blocks have to do with a low-level format???  nothing.
>and STOP shouting, please!
>--                    !                                                       
>fm                 __o                                        team OS/2 canada
>                 _`\<,_                                                       
>                (*)/ (*)                                                      
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\                          /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>                               \                        /                     
>                                ~~~~\             /~~~~~                      
>                                     \        /~~~                            
>	those who hate the most				love life the least


And you might try trimming your sig line to the maximum allowable four
lines.


***************************************************************
Fred Winterer      bankreef@ais.net
"Protect our constitution, it keeps us free!"
"Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here!"
***************************************************************

pgrooby@trimble.co.nz (Pete Grooby) writes:

>I thought doing a low level format on an IDE drive completely stuffed it.

NO, modern IDE drives can't be low-level formatted via the system BIOS.
[...]
>I would agree with your reformat advice for a 'normal' format but if its a low 
>level one I would say it is stuffed.
>
>Here's hoping I am wrong.

generally speaking, you are.
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                 _`\<,_                                                       
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                               \                        /                     
                                ~~~~\             /~~~~~                      
                                     \        /~~~                            
	those who hate the most				love life the least

sda19@net-link.net (Steve Davis) wrote:

>You need to return your news reader program too  Busted margins? :)

You didn't *have* to quote the whole bloody thing, you know.
Busted judgement? :)


>In article <4idu3j$omt@nethost.whanganui.ac.nz>, sroberts@whanganui.ac.nz 
>(Shane Roberts) wrote:
>>Hi Folks,
>>SNIP
Mark Harris  Ph 644 3827014
Technology Research & Consultancy Services
email:  mhtracs@tracs.co.nz 
Abortion! C'mon, Clinton. Extradite me now!

In message <4ijn52$dme@news.ais.net> - bankreef@ais.net (Fred Winterer)Mon, 18
Mar 1996 13:03:26 GMT writes:
:>

SNIP ...

:>
:>And you might try trimming your sig line to the maximum allowable four
:>lines.
:>
:>
:>***************************************************************
:>Fred Winterer      bankreef@ais.net
:>"Protect our constitution, it keeps us free!"
:>"Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here!"
:>***************************************************************
:>
Pray why do you use five??


/*  John ER Fulton - Ngaio - Wellington - NEW ZEALAND
/*  Phone / FAX +64 4 479 2043

In message <4ijn84$dme@news.ais.net> - bankreef@ais.net (Fred Winterer)Mon, 18
Mar 1996 13:05:04 GMT writes:
:>

Snip ...

:>
:>And you might try trimming your sig line to the maximum allowable four
:>lines.
:>
:>
:>***************************************************************
:>Fred Winterer      bankreef@ais.net
:>"Protect our constitution, it keeps us free!"
:>"Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here!"
:>***************************************************************
:>
And pray why do you do it twice??


/*  John ER Fulton - Ngaio - Wellington - NEW ZEALAND
/*  Phone / FAX +64 4 479 2043

bankreef@ais.net (Fred Winterer) wrote:

>fgm@unixg.ubc.ca  (francis) wrote:

>>ray rixon <rixon@ozemail.com.au> writes:
>>[...]
>>>CHECH ALL JUMPERS ETC ON THE DRIVE ALSO FOR ANY UNFORESEEN THINGS, GOOD 
>>>LUCK!! RAY RIXON

>>what do 'jumper' blocks have to do with a low-level format???  nothing.
>>and STOP shouting, please!
>>--                    !                                                       
>>fm                 __o                                        team OS/2 canada
>>                 _`\<,_                                                       
>>                (*)/ (*)                                                      
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\                          /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>                               \                        /                     
>>                                ~~~~\             /~~~~~                      
>>                                     \        /~~~                            
>>	those who hate the most				love life the least


>And you might try trimming your sig line to the maximum allowable four
>lines.


>***************************************************************
>Fred Winterer      bankreef@ais.net
>"Protect our constitution, it keeps us free!"
>"Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here!"
>***************************************************************

Well if we're going to nit pick, you might try posting only one
response too!
Doug Smith B.SC.
Editor of Qld Computer Trade News

bankreef@ais.net (Fred Winterer) wrote:



>And you might try trimming your sig line to the maximum allowable four
>lines.


>***************************************************************
>Fred Winterer      bankreef@ais.net
>"Protect our constitution, it keeps us free!"
>"Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here!"
>***************************************************************

Wait a minute, I count five in yours. And before you say anything
to me, mines got 9 lines if you count the two blanks at the
beginning, but since I only post about one third as much as I'd
like to, it all averages out. :)


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Tucson, Arizona USA
zil@azstarnet.com

Windows 95!... from the same people who brought you EDLIN!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In <4idu3j$omt@nethost.whanganui.ac.nz> sroberts@whanganui.ac.nz (Shane 
Roberts) wrote:

>Hi Folks,
>
>Can anyone 
>help me 
>recover a 
>Conner 
>CP30104H 
>IDE Hard 
>Drive from 
>a low 
> level 
>format?

Using an ultra-low resolution terminal, are we? :-)

As far as your problem goes, I think you're going to have to contact Connor 
on this. The dealer you bought the drive from should be able to help on that 
one; or search the web if you have access.


- Anthony


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sroberts@whanganui.ac.nz (Shane Roberts) wrote:

>Hi Folks,

>Can anyone 
>help me 
>recover a 
>Conner 
>CP30104H 
>IDE Hard 
>Drive from 
>a low 
> level 
>format?

>I was 
>preparing 
>the hard 
>drive for 
>installati
>on to my 
>computer 
>and
> used the 
>AMIBIOS 
>hard drive 
>format 
>utility, 
>oops, 
>didn't I 
>read some-
> where 
>that IDE 
>hard 
>drives 
>shouldn't 
>be low 
>level 
>formatted 
>and that
> some 
>drives had 
>to be 
>returned 
>to the 
>manufactur
>er if they 
>were? :-)

>Does 
>anyone 
>have a 
>programme 
>to aid in 
>bringing 
>this hard 
>drive back
> to life. 
> The 
>computer 
>doesn't 
>recognise 
>it and 
>Windows 
>3.1 says
> that it 
>doesn't 
>like the 
>HD's 
>driver.

>My system 
>is a 
>486SX25, 
>4Mb ram, 
>AMI bios, 
>running 
>MsDOS 6.22 
>and
> Windows 
>3.1.

>Many 
>thanks in 
>advance.  
>Any 
>assistance 
>would be 
>much 
>appreciate
>d.
> Thankyou.

>Shane 
>Roberts.


>Email:- sroberts@whanganui.ac.nz |
>        Wanganui                 |
>        New Zealand              |

You should be able to recover by simply doing a DOS FDISK and
re-formatting the drive. No data will be recoverable but the drive
should be OK.

Kevin O'Brien
PC Help
Petone

In response to fgm@unixg.ubc.ca, bankreef@ais.net (Fred Winterer) writes:
[...]
>And you might try trimming your sig line to the maximum allowable four
>lines.

and you might learn to user your news reader properly.  for instance,
don't quote the entire article, and don't post it twice, such as you did.
--                    !                                                       
fm                 __o                                        team OS/2 canada
                 _`\<,_                                                       
                (*)/ (*)                                                      
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\                          /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                               \                        /                     
                                ~~~~\             /~~~~~                      
                                     \        /~~~                            
	those who hate the most				love life the least

francis wrote:
> 
> pgrooby@trimble.co.nz (Pete Grooby) writes:
> 
> >I thought doing a low level format on an IDE drive completely stuffed it.
> 
> NO, modern IDE drives can't be low-level formatted via the system BIOS.
> [...]

Are you sure ? Cause I stuffed a Quantum 1.27Gb Fireball through ignorance doing a
BIOS low level format on it.  And no matter how I fdisk or DOS format the drive, it
didn't work.  Got it fixed eventually by getting it low-level formated by a program.
NOT from BIOS.

It *may* be fixed if you manage to get the low level formatting program from the 
manufacture.
l> >I would agree with your reformat advice for a 'normal' format but if its a low
l> >level one I would say it is stuffed.
l> >
l> >Here's hoping I am wrong.
l> 
l> generally speaking, you are.

ray rixon <rixon@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

>HI SHANE SHOULD'NT BE TO HARD TO FIX
>IF YOU CAN OBTAIN A NEW MACHINE VERSION OF DOS 6.22 AND JUST CHUCK IT IN 
Most newer HDD's now wont let you do a real low level format so it
probably is all right. Just fdisk it to set the primary dos partition
and make it active and away you go. Format and load everything up
again.  i do it all the time, its the easiest way to start fresh. 
I bought a program called Micrscope that really does do a low level
format, one of the very few that can do it properly..

vic


Kelowna, BC. Canada
vhlushak@awinc.com
Personal Home Page http://www2.awinc.com/users/vhlushak/index.html

In article <4idu3j$omt@nethost.whanganui.ac.nz>,
   sroberts@whanganui.ac.nz, I wrote:
>Hi Folks,
>
>Can anyone help me recover a Conner CP30104H IDE Hard Drive from a low level 
>format?
<snip>

Thankyou to everyone that replied to my posting to this newsgroup.  FDISK was 
all that was needed to recover this disk drive.  The data was intentionally 
wiped from the drive so I wasn't concerned about losing it.

For anyone following this thread, I have just re-read a magazine article that 
states, with regard to IDE drives:-  "In addition, IDE drives usually operate 
at a 1:1 interleave.  You cannot change interleave, perform a low-level 
format, or run low-level disc utilities."  (extract from Computer Bits column, 
Silicon Chip, October 1992.)

Caution, there is still some doubt as to whether the foregoing applies to all 
IDE drives (In my mind, at least. :-)).

Finally, apologies for the extremely short lines in the original article.  I 
don't know what happened to cause that.

Cheers,

Shane.



In,In.mbx,S,N
Trash,Trash.mbx,S,U
Out,Out.mbx,S,N

sroberts@whanganui.ac.nz (Shane Roberts) wrote:

<snip>

>For anyone following this thread, I have just re-read a magazine article that 
>states, with regard to IDE drives:-  "In addition, IDE drives usually operate 
>at a 1:1 interleave.  You cannot change interleave, perform a low-level 
>format, or run low-level disc utilities."  (extract from Computer Bits column, 
>Silicon Chip, October 1992.)

>Caution, there is still some doubt as to whether the foregoing applies to all 
>IDE drives (In my mind, at least. :-)).

>Finally, apologies for the extremely short lines in the original article.  I 
>don't know what happened to cause that.

>Cheers,

>Shane.

Shane, here's what I know.  The response of an IDE drive to the format
command is not well defined.  Various drives may format the track, may
do it badly, or may just come back with either "done" or "error".  

Some IDE drives have a mode to write the track that is not accessed by
normal software.  That encoding method might be proprietary.  Western
Digital Drives seem to need a special program to low level format
them.  It is supposed to take forever.  

Best advice, do not low level format an IDE drive unless you _know_ it
can be done properly, or you have access to the manufacturer's low
level formatting software.

Not a problem on MFM, RLL, ESDI drives.  I think you need some special
software for SCSI drives, mostly to talk to the drivers.

Harvey



>In,In.mbx,S,N
>Trash,Trash.mbx,S,U
>Out,Out.mbx,S,N

*** 
  I just read minds,
  I don't explain them
***

In article <4j4ogq$li9@dfw-ixnews1.ix.netcom.com>,
Harvey White <madyn@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Not a problem on MFM, RLL, ESDI drives.  I think you need some special
>software for SCSI drives, mostly to talk to the drivers.

With SCSI drives you say "Format thyself" and the drive does everything
itself. Many (most) SCSI PC HDD controller cards these days have BIOS 
level access to this stuff (I don't mean cheap old junk like ST-02 cards)

Now if only I could find a nice *cheap* source for the extra Barracudas
I need and someone to buy/swap my 2940 so I can get a 3940. :)

AB
-- 
"But you can't say they have arrived to classify your nervous lies
 What's right, what's not, what may not be. Don't try your tricky tests on me
 For I won't live in fear my friend - that every day could be my end"

Zilbandy wrote:
> 
> bankreef@ais.net (Fred Winterer) wrote:

> >***************************************************************
> >Fred Winterer      bankreef@ais.net
> >"Protect our constitution, it keeps us free!"
> >"Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here!"
> >*************************************************************** 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Barry Burnett (Zilbandy)
> Tucson, Arizona USA
> zil@azstarnet.com
> 
> Windows 95!... from the same people who brought you EDLIN!
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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