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amikkels@pcug.org.au (Allan Mikkelsen):

> As system@codeworks.gen.nz has declined my request for
> reimbursement because it is not his fault, but that of Dave
> Nagle, perhaps you would like to reimburse me?

Third party cancellers must be accountable to the readership they 
supposedly serve.

This involves making details of their activities public knowledge.

The format and forum for this disclosure may vary, but the 
requirement to do so does not.

For example, some cancellers report in alt.nocem.misc. Some quote 
the whole article, others give summary information. Reports in 
aus.net.news generally quote the whole article. The 
alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt BOT report gives summary information, 
but it is posted to the effected group.

In other words, there is no single reporting standard.

If nz.general were ever to become a moderated newsgroup, then the 
reporting requirements would be one of the items to be discussed 
beforehand.

Lest anyone think that poor old Wayne has been hounded into 
submission with "increasingly strident requests", I have appended 
the only comments I have made on the subject of public reporting 
in nz.*. Two Usenet postings.

I did however exchange _many_ emails with him last year on the 
need to notify posters via email. He initially saw no need for 
even that.

Frankly, he shouldn't be cancelling things in the first place.

So Allan, while I *think* you are being sarcastic with your 
request for reimbursement, the choice of format and forum was 
Wayne's own work.

Regards,
...Dave

PS. The Cancelwatch report has not been published this year.

> From: dnagle@wt.com.au (Dave Nagle)
> Newsgroups: nz.general,nz.politics
> Subject: Re: Cancels
> Date: 18 Dec 1996 06:46:24 GMT   <-----------  Last year
> Message-ID: <dn181296.02@wt.com.au>

> system@codeworks.gen.nz (Wayne W. McDougall):

>> A listing of cancels for NZ and Australian users (?) is regularly posted
>> to aus.net.news

> It's posted under the subject line Cancelwatch.

> More detail can be found by following the links from

> http://www.ozemail.com.au/~number9/cwindex.html

> Look for system@codeworks.gen.nz to see some examples of Wayne's
> handywork. jeremyb@orac.pec.co.nz also rates an occasional
> mention.

> Wayne has cancelled at least two dozen articles over the last
> week or two, some of them by nz posters in nz.* groups.

> Why don't you post the details somewhere like nz.net.announce?

> Have you started sending an email to the original poster?

> ...Dave



> From: dnagle@wt.com.au (Dave Nagle)
> Newsgroups: nz.general,aus.politics
> Subject: Re: The gun debate and aus.politics
> Date: 11 Feb 1997 04:22:19 GMT
> Message-ID: <dn97021101@wt.com.au>

[...]

> Wayne is getting to be a little busybody. DejaNews shows that he
> has just clocked up his 100th cancel in nz.general.

> If he really must censor nz.general (and the crossposted groups),
> then he should publicly post details of his activites.

> The same goes for the other censors who don't show up in the
> archive sites.

> Regards,
> ...Dave