🚀 go-pugleaf

Wait five years, the styling will be back in vogue and you can sell it on e-bay.

The Technical Manager wrote:

>
> As a former repairman I have found little demand for repaired items. Consumers
> want new stuff. I am blaming fashion for this. A 12 year old boxy chunky squared
> off black appliance is almost unsellable. Consumers want sexy curvy slimline
> silver stuff nowadays.
>

--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
Jleikhim@nettally.com

"Jazz is not dead.  It just smells funny." -F.Z.

Definitly, I can't stand that bubbly silver crap, give me a nice clean
logical layout with a sensible, easily stackable squared off cabinet any
day.

"Joe Leikhim" <jleikhim@nettally.com> wrote in message
news:3D0D4049.6E56DE9F@nettally.com...
> Wait five years, the styling will be back in vogue and you can sell it on
e-bay.
>
> The Technical Manager wrote:
>
> >
> > As a former repairman I have found little demand for repaired items.
Consumers
> > want new stuff. I am blaming fashion for this. A 12 year old boxy chunky
squared
> > off black appliance is almost unsellable. Consumers want sexy curvy
slimline
> > silver stuff nowadays.
> >
>
> --
> Joe Leikhim K4SAT
> Jleikhim@nettally.com
>
> "Jazz is not dead.  It just smells funny." -F.Z.
>
>

We all have the solutions. We all can fix it. Why does nothing get
done....because not one single person in this world, including myself,
really understands the problem.

What a shame we don't live in a perfect world........
 
   
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Alan Liefting (aliefting@ihug.co.nz) wrote:
> 
> 
> > > Rubbish skips are usually locked.  This prevents unauthorised use.  It
> > > also prevents reuse of the valuable resources contained therein!
> 
> Increase waste disposal charges.

Increasing the charge will guarantee more is taken out than is put in?

BTW can you give me the location of 3 locked rubbish skips in
Christchurch?

The Technical Manager wrote:

Its considered too communist. When I was in the Green Party (of England and Wales) some
members wanted standardisation of machinery with spare parts being guaranteed to be
available for 25 years.

    You could have Cars built like PC's:  "Yes please I'd like the 4wd ATX chassis, Do you
have any of the plug in gearbox adapters to upgrade my MPU (Motor Propulsion Unit) to
 3 litre displacement?".

James Sweet wrote:

> Definitly, I can't stand that bubbly silver crap, give me a nice clean
> logical layout with a sensible, easily stackable squared off cabinet any
> day.

If you follow Apple trends it looks like things are heading that way. The
home computer environment will very soon be run by a central wireless server
and a bunch stripped down client stations.

http://www.apple.com/xserve/
http://www.apple.com/

Christiaan

The Technical Manager wrote:
> 

> As a former repairman I have found little demand for repaired items. Consumers
> want new stuff. I am blaming fashion for this. A 12 year old boxy chunky squared
> off black appliance is almost unsellable. Consumers want sexy curvy slimline
> silver stuff nowadays.
> 
> One thing that really pisses me off is when people dump things they still keep the
> remote control.
> 

They're down the back of the lounge, or armchair, along with $23.54 in small change,
innumerable pieces of Lego, bits of pizza that were missed being been consumed over 
the years, navel lint, and 5 small unidentifiable pieces of plastic, presumably
from the kids toys.

-- 

Regards
David Milne

Mark Harriss wrote:

> The Technical Manager wrote:
>
> Its considered too communist. When I was in the Green Party (of England and Wales) some
> members wanted standardisation of machinery with spare parts being guaranteed to be
> available for 25 years.
>
>     You could have Cars built like PC's:  "Yes please I'd like the 4wd ATX chassis, Do you
> have any of the plug in gearbox adapters to upgrade my MPU (Motor Propulsion Unit) to
>  3 litre displacement?".

The Green party wanted to modularise cars as well with removable body panels and designed to
be easy to repair in the case of accident damage or rust.

The Technical Manager wrote:

> Mark Harriss wrote:
> 
>> The Technical Manager wrote:
>> 
>> Its considered too communist. When I was in the Green Party (of England and
>> Wales) some
>> members wanted standardisation of machinery with spare parts being guaranteed
>> to be
>> available for 25 years.
>> 
>>     You could have Cars built like PC's:  "Yes please I'd like the 4wd ATX
>> chassis, Do you
>> have any of the plug in gearbox adapters to upgrade my MPU (Motor Propulsion
>> Unit) to
>>  3 litre displacement?".
> 
> The Green party wanted to modularise cars as well with removable body panels
> and designed to
> be easy to repair in the case of accident damage or rust.
 
I assume this is the UK Greens?

Christiaan

Sadly, some of this is the result of bad behavior by ungrateful past
recipients of the largesse.

Motorola used to make old trade-in radio transceivers available to
amateur radio operators and groups.  They stopped the practice when
the found many of them back in commercial service.

Some companies, like SCM/Kleinschmidt, introduced the policies to
prevent employees from throwing things in the dumpster to retrieve
later.

The University of Illinois has a contract for hauling their surplus, and the

hauler owns it.  Taking it from the trash is stealing it from the rightful
owner (which does sell some of it).

It's a shame that so much useful stuff is landfilled or destroyed, but the
reasons behind it are even sadder -- an inability to trust your own staff,
people taking things for personal use and then putting them into service
in competition with you... and the potential liability of someone getting
hurt in your dumpster.

Conversely, some of it makes no sense at all.  An electronics service shop
here routinely smashes their throwaways with a hammer (TV's, VCR's
etc.).  They don't save the parts, and they don't leave anything useful.
I don't see the logic in that.

Alan Liefting wrote:

> When Wanaka was flooded the insurance company hired security guards to
> prevent people stealing the water damaged food from the rubbish dump.
>
> When electronics companies move their spare parts supply operations to
> Australia they throw out the spare parts remaining in the New Zealand
> warehouses.
>
> If your computer monitor or ink jet printer fails during its warranty
> period there is a chance it will simply be replaced and the faulty one
> discarded.
>
> Pig farmers no longer collect food scraps to feed their animals (to feed
> the pig animal not the human animal).
>
> I can get spare parts for my 15-25 year old kettle but not for my three
> year old computer monitor.
>
> Rubbish skips are usually locked.  This prevents unauthorised use.  It
> also prevents reuse of the valuable resources contained therein!
>
> Rubbish dumps are now fenced.  This prevents fossicking by enlightened
> souls looking for something useful.
>
> Why can you not buy broken biscuits anymore?  Have manufacturing
> techniques improved to reduce wastage or are the broken biscuits
> discarded?
>
> A company which has a name which suggests it manages our rubbish is
> listed on the stock exchange!
>
> --
> ___________________
>
> Alan Liefting
> 78 Flockton Street
> St Albans
> Christchurch
> New Zealand
> ___________________
>
> Vote GREENS!
> http://www.greens.org.nz

No good deed goes unpunished.  It can be very hard to donate a computer to
an organization.  Some of them expect full-time support and a full complement
of software to accompany it.

David Milne wrote:

> Joe Leikhim wrote:
> > The computer industry is a prime example of this. I have a Pentium computer for
> > which any form of upgrade is truly not sensible, everything down to the power
> > supply and case must now be junked.
>
> If you don't want it, then why don't you donate it to your local church, school,
> auntie-who-wants-to-get-onto-the-internet-but-can't-afford-an-expensive-computer?
> I'm sure that there are various groups and organisations who would be more than
> grateful to take it off your hands.
>
> --
>
> Regards
> David Milne

When people dump things they figure they're unusable and they keep the one part
that might do them some good.  I've found that being polite and asking if it's ok to
take their throwaway usually results in a gift of the missing items.

The Technical Manager wrote:

> One thing that really pisses me off is when people dump things they still keep the
> remote control.
>

Mike Berger <berger@shout.net> writes:

> When people dump things they figure they're unusable and they keep the one
> part that might do them some good.  I've found that being polite and asking
> if it's ok to take their throwaway usually results in a gift of the missing
> items.

Yeah, there was this $3 TV (19" Sylvania, needed a new startup resistor) from
a garage sale, still works great after 5 years or so.  I actually remembered
to ask for the remote (which wasn't with the TV).  THAT was broken also (bad
trace).  The owner though joked that the remote would be $30.  Of course, he
gave it to me free.

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On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:33:05 +0100, Christiaan Briggs
<cbriggs@nospam.clear.net.nz> wrote:

>James Sweet wrote:
>
>> Definitly, I can't stand that bubbly silver crap, give me a nice clean
>> logical layout with a sensible, easily stackable squared off cabinet any
>> day.
>
>If you follow Apple trends it looks like things are heading that way. The
>home computer environment will very soon be run by a central wireless server
>and a bunch stripped down client stations.


I'm not an Apple user, so I can't comment on all their products.
Their one machine that gets all the publicity lately seems to be the
new  iMac.  The thing looks like a beanie with the LCD screen sticking
out.  How could you possibly upgrade such a machine?  When it is
obsolete, everything about it is proprietary.


Remove the "nospam" from my e-mail address to send e-mail.

Joe

On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:49:53 -0500, Mike Berger <berger@shout.net>
wrote:

>Sadly, some of this is the result of bad behavior by ungrateful past
>recipients of the largesse.
>
>Motorola used to make old trade-in radio transceivers available to
>amateur radio operators and groups.  They stopped the practice when
>the found many of them back in commercial service.
>
>Some companies, like SCM/Kleinschmidt, introduced the policies to
>prevent employees from throwing things in the dumpster to retrieve
>later.

When I was in the US Navy, it was certainly OK to throw something in
the dumpster.  You could be court martialed for taking it home or
dumpster diving to get it later.  I saw lots of very useable items
thrown away in this manner.





Remove the "nospam" from my e-mail address to send e-mail.

Joe

Christiaan Briggs wrote:

> The Technical Manager wrote:
>
> > Mark Harriss wrote:
> >
> >> The Technical Manager wrote:
> >>
> >> Its considered too communist. When I was in the Green Party (of England and
> >> Wales) some
> >> members wanted standardisation of machinery with spare parts being guaranteed
> >> to be
> >> available for 25 years.
> >>
> >>     You could have Cars built like PC's:  "Yes please I'd like the 4wd ATX
> >> chassis, Do you
> >> have any of the plug in gearbox adapters to upgrade my MPU (Motor Propulsion
> >> Unit) to
> >>  3 litre displacement?".
> >
> > The Green party wanted to modularise cars as well with removable body panels
> > and designed to
> > be easy to repair in the case of accident damage or rust.
>
> I assume this is the UK Greens?

It was the Green Party of England and Wales. There is actually no such thing as the
UK Greens. The Green Party of Scotland it a totally separate organisation. There
used to be a Green Party of Northern Ireland as well but I think it has now folded.

Joe Bento wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:33:05 +0100, Christiaan Briggs
> <cbriggs@nospam.clear.net.nz> wrote:
> 
>> James Sweet wrote:
>> 
>>> Definitly, I can't stand that bubbly silver crap, give me a nice clean
>>> logical layout with a sensible, easily stackable squared off cabinet any
>>> day.
>> 
>> If you follow Apple trends it looks like things are heading that way. The
>> home computer environment will very soon be run by a central wireless server
>> and a bunch stripped down client stations.
> 
> 
> I'm not an Apple user, so I can't comment on all their products.
> Their one machine that gets all the publicity lately seems to be the
> new  iMac.  The thing looks like a beanie with the LCD screen sticking
> out.  How could you possibly upgrade such a machine?  When it is
> obsolete, everything about it is proprietary.

I don't agree with you that everything about it is proprietary but yes
they're not exactly made for upgrading, apart from some RAM and the wireless
network card (although Sonnet is bound to come up with a motherboard
upgrade). On the other hand they do last longer and keep their value longer
than PCs. These iMacs are also designed to be take up as little room as
possible, thus everything is crammed in. The central home server will solve
these problems though. Apple does have a reasonably good recycling scheme
but nearly good enough on my opinion.
http://www.apple.com/about/environment/

Christiaan

On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:33:05 +0100, Christiaan Briggs
<cbriggs@nospam.clear.net.nz> wrote:

>James Sweet wrote:
>
>> Definitly, I can't stand that bubbly silver crap, give me a nice clean
>> logical layout with a sensible, easily stackable squared off cabinet any
>> day.
>
>If you follow Apple trends it looks like things are heading that way. The
>home computer environment will very soon be run by a central wireless server
>and a bunch stripped down client stations.
>
>http://www.apple.com/xserve/
>http://www.apple.com/
>
>Christiaan
>

Apple probably aren't the only ones thinking that way, and the home
computer environment can extend to a lot of different appliances too.

Tom

Tom MacIntyre wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:33:05 +0100, Christiaan Briggs
> <cbriggs@nospam.clear.net.nz> wrote:
> 
>> James Sweet wrote:
>> 
>>> Definitly, I can't stand that bubbly silver crap, give me a nice clean
>>> logical layout with a sensible, easily stackable squared off cabinet any
>>> day.
>> 
>> If you follow Apple trends it looks like things are heading that way. The
>> home computer environment will very soon be run by a central wireless server
>> and a bunch stripped down client stations.
>> 
>> http://www.apple.com/xserve/
>> http://www.apple.com/
>> 
>> Christiaan
>> 
> 
> Apple probably aren't the only ones thinking that way, and the home
> computer environment can extend to a lot of different appliances too.

Yeah you're probably right, but they're a good indicator of markets trends.
Whatever Apple does everyone else is sure to follow.

Christiaan

Mike Berger wrote:
> 
> No good deed goes unpunished.  It can be very hard to donate a computer to
> an organization.  Some of them expect full-time support and a full complement
> of software to accompany it.

There's no pleasing some people, eh. Oh, well. At least some might appreciate the
gesture.


-- 

Regards
David Milne

Alan Liefting wrote:
> 
> Here in NZ will refill beer bottles and milk botles with no apparent
> problems

Those bottle are washed and sterilized before filling with beer/milk.


-- 

Regards
David Milne

Jason M wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:48:32 +1000, David Milne
> <dmmilne@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> 
> >Alan Liefting wrote:
> >>
> >> Here in NZ will refill beer bottles and milk botles with no apparent
> >> problems
> >
> >Those bottle are washed and sterilized before filling with beer/milk.
> 
> How well do they wash out the weedkiller and poisons that people
> sometimes put in bottles before they return them?
> 
> Jason M

Go and ask the production manager responsible for the washing of returned 
containers. My guess is that they wouldn't touch them, except to give the 
containers to hazardous waste disposal esperts.

-- 

Regards
David Milne

Jason M wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:42:34 +1000, David Milne
> <dmmilne@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> 
> >Jason M wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:48:32 +1000, David Milne
> >> <dmmilne@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Alan Liefting wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Here in NZ will refill beer bottles and milk botles with no apparent
> >> >> problems
> >> >
> >> >Those bottle are washed and sterilized before filling with beer/milk.
> >>
> >> How well do they wash out the weedkiller and poisons that people
> >> sometimes put in bottles before they return them?
> 
> >Go and ask the production manager responsible for the washing of returned
> >containers. My guess is that they wouldn't touch them, except to give the
> >containers to hazardous waste disposal esperts.
> 
> How can they know what may have been in a bottle? I'm talking about an
> empty bottle that may have had something nasty in it.
> 
> Jason M

They probably wouldn't know, how could anyone know for certain what has
resided in those containers previously. Any returned containers would 
be subjected to sterilization and cleaning prior to refilling with
new beer or milk or softdrink. That is not negotiable and is legislated,
even in New Zealand.

-- 

Regards
David Milne

Alan Liefting (aliefting@ihug.co.nz) wrote:
> Geoff McCaughan wrote:
> > 
> > > Let's see, there's three very important words in that sentence
> > > "water damaged food".
> > 
> > There is often contamination by sewage during flooding, eating that
> > food would be foolish.
> 
> A can or bottle can be easily washed.

But verifying the integrity of several thousand cans and bottles is
a considerable cost, and a single mistake can kill people.

The Technical Manager wrote:

> There was a time when kids at school in Britain had milk in returnable bottles.
> Very rarely were the bottles washed out before they were taken to be refilled
> so the inside had a layer of dried on milk stuck on it. The cleaning machines
> at the refilling centre had difficulty in getting the bottles fully cleaned so
> when they were refilled they often were contaminated. Sometimes the milk
> bottles were used by the kids to store all manner of chemicals in during
> science lessons and not washed out afterwards.
> 
> Nowadays schools buy their milk in tetra paks.

I remember when I was in year 1 or yr2, we had the glass milk bottles with 
that little aluminium foil cap. Used to smooth the edges around so that it
looked like a small frisbee, and we used to flick them around the classroom.

-- 

Regards
David Milne

Here in NZ will refill beer bottles and milk botles with no apparent
problems

Alan Liefting

Geoff McCaughan wrote:
> 
> Alan Liefting (aliefting@ihug.co.nz) wrote:
> > Geoff McCaughan wrote:
> > >
> > > > Let's see, there's three very important words in that sentence
> > > > "water damaged food".
> > >
> > > There is often contamination by sewage during flooding, eating that
> > > food would be foolish.
> >
> > A can or bottle can be easily washed.
> 
> But verifying the integrity of several thousand cans and bottles is
> a considerable cost, and a single mistake can kill people.

-

On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:48:32 +1000, David Milne
<dmmilne@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

>Alan Liefting wrote:
>> 
>> Here in NZ will refill beer bottles and milk botles with no apparent
>> problems
>
>Those bottle are washed and sterilized before filling with beer/milk.

How well do they wash out the weedkiller and poisons that people
sometimes put in bottles before they return them?

Jason M

On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:42:34 +1000, David Milne
<dmmilne@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

>Jason M wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:48:32 +1000, David Milne
>> <dmmilne@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> >Alan Liefting wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Here in NZ will refill beer bottles and milk botles with no apparent
>> >> problems
>> >
>> >Those bottle are washed and sterilized before filling with beer/milk.
>> 
>> How well do they wash out the weedkiller and poisons that people
>> sometimes put in bottles before they return them?

>Go and ask the production manager responsible for the washing of returned 
>containers. My guess is that they wouldn't touch them, except to give the 
>containers to hazardous waste disposal esperts.

How can they know what may have been in a bottle? I'm talking about an
empty bottle that may have had something nasty in it.

Jason M

Alan Liefting wrote:

> Here in NZ will refill beer bottles and milk botles with no apparent
> problems

You have refillable beer bottles. How exactly does the customer get them
refilled ?

In Britain refillable milk bottles exist everywhere and refillable fizzy
drink bottles used to exist but none for alcoholic drinks.

David Milne wrote:

> Jason M wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:42:34 +1000, David Milne
> > <dmmilne@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > >Jason M wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:48:32 +1000, David Milne
> > >> <dmmilne@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Alan Liefting wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Here in NZ will refill beer bottles and milk botles with no apparent
> > >> >> problems
> > >> >
> > >> >Those bottle are washed and sterilized before filling with beer/milk.
> > >>
> > >> How well do they wash out the weedkiller and poisons that people
> > >> sometimes put in bottles before they return them?
> >
> > >Go and ask the production manager responsible for the washing of returned
> > >containers. My guess is that they wouldn't touch them, except to give the
> > >containers to hazardous waste disposal esperts.
> >
> > How can they know what may have been in a bottle? I'm talking about an
> > empty bottle that may have had something nasty in it.
> >
> > Jason M
>
> They probably wouldn't know, how could anyone know for certain what has
> resided in those containers previously. Any returned containers would
> be subjected to sterilization and cleaning prior to refilling with
> new beer or milk or softdrink. That is not negotiable and is legislated,
> even in New Zealand.

There was a time when kids at school in Britain had milk in returnable bottles.
Very rarely were the bottles washed out before they were taken to be refilled
so the inside had a layer of dried on milk stuck on it. The cleaning machines
at the refilling centre had difficulty in getting the bottles fully cleaned so
when they were refilled they often were contaminated. Sometimes the milk
bottles were used by the kids to store all manner of chemicals in during
science lessons and not washed out afterwards.

Nowadays schools buy their milk in tetra paks.

David Milne wrote:

> The Technical Manager wrote:
>
> > There was a time when kids at school in Britain had milk in returnable bottles.
> > Very rarely were the bottles washed out before they were taken to be refilled
> > so the inside had a layer of dried on milk stuck on it. The cleaning machines
> > at the refilling centre had difficulty in getting the bottles fully cleaned so
> > when they were refilled they often were contaminated. Sometimes the milk
> > bottles were used by the kids to store all manner of chemicals in during
> > science lessons and not washed out afterwards.
> >
> > Nowadays schools buy their milk in tetra paks.
>
> I remember when I was in year 1 or yr2, we had the glass milk bottles with
> that little aluminium foil cap. Used to smooth the edges around so that it
> looked like a small frisbee, and we used to flick them around the classroom.

They were in use before my time so I never experienced them. I was informed that
they were discontinued at the request of schools because there was a tendency for
kids to throw them at walls and cover the place with glass fragments.

The Technical Manager wrote:
> 
> David Milne wrote:
> 
> > I remember when I was in year 1 or yr2, we had the glass milk bottles with
> > that little aluminium foil cap. Used to smooth the edges around so that it
> > looked like a small frisbee, and we used to flick them around the classroom.
> 
> They were in use before my time so I never experienced them. I was informed that
> they were discontinued at the request of schools because there was a tendency for
> kids to throw them at walls and cover the place with glass fragments.


The supply of free milk was discontinued, but I don't know the reasons.

-- 

Regards
David Milne

"The Technical Manager" <techman@niobiumfive.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3D10E51E.1D569D0@niobiumfive.co.uk...
> David Milne wrote:
>
> > The Technical Manager wrote:
> >
> > > There was a time when kids at school in Britain had milk in returnable
bottles.
> > > Very rarely were the bottles washed out before they were taken to be
refilled
> > > so the inside had a layer of dried on milk stuck on it. The cleaning
machines
> > > at the refilling centre had difficulty in getting the bottles fully
cleaned so
> > > when they were refilled they often were contaminated. Sometimes the
milk
> > > bottles were used by the kids to store all manner of chemicals in
during
> > > science lessons and not washed out afterwards.
> > >
> > > Nowadays schools buy their milk in tetra paks.
> >
> > I remember when I was in year 1 or yr2, we had the glass milk bottles
with
> > that little aluminium foil cap. Used to smooth the edges around so that
it
> > looked like a small frisbee, and we used to flick them around the
classroom.
>
> They were in use before my time so I never experienced them. I was
informed that
> they were discontinued at the request of schools because there was a
tendency for
> kids to throw them at walls and cover the place with glass fragments.

I seem to recall the practice was discontinued purely as an economy measure
by the government.

Ken

The Technical Manager wrote:
> 
> Alan Liefting wrote:
> 
> > Here in NZ will refill beer bottles and milk botles with no apparent
> > problems
> 
> You have refillable beer bottles. How exactly does the customer get them
> refilled ?
> 

They come 12 to a wooden crate.  You take it back to the grog shop and
get a refund when you buy the next crate of beer.  They are 750
millilitre bottles.  they are no long very popular but still freely
available.

Alan Liefting wrote:

> The Technical Manager wrote:
> >
> > Alan Liefting wrote:
> >
> > > Here in NZ will refill beer bottles and milk botles with no apparent
> > > problems
> >
> > You have refillable beer bottles. How exactly does the customer get them
> > refilled ?
> >
>
> They come 12 to a wooden crate.  You take it back to the grog shop and
> get a refund when you buy the next crate of beer.  They are 750
> millilitre bottles.  they are no long very popular but still freely
> available.

I was thinking that the shop bought beer in barrels and refilled the bottles
from a tap like those in pubs.

"Ken Taylor" <ken@co.nz> wrote in message
news:aer84n$9hlpe$1@ID-76636.news.dfncis.de...
> I seem to recall the practice was discontinued purely as an economy
measure
> by the government.

It was an economy measure, but entirely justified as the reason for it's
existence no longer existed. Kids were getting adequate milk at home.

Trevor.

> > >
> > > > Here in NZ will refill beer bottles and milk botles with no apparent
> > > > problems
> > >
> > > You have refillable beer bottles. How exactly does the customer get them
> > > refilled ?
> > >
> >
> > They come 12 to a wooden crate.  You take it back to the grog shop and
> > get a refund when you buy the next crate of beer.  They are 750
> > millilitre bottles.  they are no long very popular but still freely
> > available.
> 
> I was thinking that the shop bought beer in barrels and refilled the bottles
> from a tap like those in pubs.

Some do that as well.  You can bowl up with a "pub pet" (plastics
bottle) and have it filled out of a bowser.  Not all grog shops do this.

Alan Liefting

Sam Goldwasser <sam@saul.cis.upenn.edu> wrote in message news:<6wofecah5l.fsf@saul.cis.upenn.edu>...
> Ian <i.roberts@inet.net.nz> writes:
> 
> > Please share your your potentiol solutions to these and questions you
> > have previously posed. 
> > 
> > Most of us already know the questions. 
> > 
> > The answers would be most welcome.
> 
> My opinion: Mostly due to an excess of lawyers not residing in land fills. :)

ROFL! :)

Hey, in one sci-fi book I read they mentioned something about what
happened to all the lawyers . I seem to remember it had to do with the
"B" ark  ...


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Andre wrote:
> 
> Sam Goldwasser <sam@saul.cis.upenn.edu> wrote in message news:<6wofecah5l.fsf@saul.cis.upenn.edu>...
> > Ian <i.roberts@inet.net.nz> writes:
> >
> > > Please share your your potentiol solutions to these and questions you
> > > have previously posed.
> > >
> > > Most of us already know the questions.
> > >
> > > The answers would be most welcome.
> >
> > My opinion: Mostly due to an excess of lawyers not residing in land fills. :)
> 
> ROFL! :)
> 
> Hey, in one sci-fi book I read they mentioned something about what
> happened to all the lawyers . I seem to remember it had to do with the
> "B" ark  ...

Wasn't it Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. The A ark didn't make it and
the planet was populated by hairdressers, accountants, consultants, etc.

But no one could light a fire or build shelter...

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"Ian" <i.roberts@inet.net.nz> wrote in message
news:3D139AC2.FE899C9C@inet.net.nz...
> Wasn't it Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. The A ark didn't make it and
> the planet was populated by hairdressers, accountants, consultants, etc.

That's what the B ark was told, actually the A ark went to a different
planet :-)

Trevor.

Trevor wrote:
> 
> "Ian" <i.roberts@inet.net.nz> wrote in message
> news:3D139AC2.FE899C9C@inet.net.nz...
> > Wasn't it Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. The A ark didn't make it and
> > the planet was populated by hairdressers, accountants, consultants, etc.
> 
> That's what the B ark was told, actually the A ark went to a different
> planet :-)
> 
> Trevor.

They were told their home planet was about to be eaten by an intergalatic goat,
and they had to evacuate the planet. The planet got rid of a third of the population,
which were hairdressers, advertising agency people, telephone sanitation technicians, etc
who were on the "B" ark. However the rest of the population stayed home and contracted
a deadly disease from a dirty telephone.


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In article <3D139AC2.FE899C9C@inet.net.nz>, Ian  <i.roberts@inet.net.nz> wrote:
>
>
>Andre wrote:
>> 
>> Sam Goldwasser <sam@saul.cis.upenn.edu> wrote in message
>news:<6wofecah5l.fsf@saul.cis.upenn.edu>...
>> > Ian <i.roberts@inet.net.nz> writes:
>> >
>> > > Please share your your potentiol solutions to these and questions you
>> > > have previously posed.
>> > >
>> > > Most of us already know the questions.
>> > >
>> > > The answers would be most welcome.
>> >
>> > My opinion: Mostly due to an excess of lawyers not residing in land
>fills. :)
>> 
>> ROFL! :)
>> 
>> Hey, in one sci-fi book I read they mentioned something about what
>> happened to all the lawyers . I seem to remember it had to do with the
>> "B" ark  ...
>
>Wasn't it Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. The A ark didn't make it and
>the planet was populated by hairdressers, accountants, consultants, etc.
>
>But no one could light a fire or build shelter...
----------------------
And telephone sanitizers! Yes, they were the "middle men", the people they
didn't really need because they didn't really DO anything! That was the
fate of the Golgafrinchians of the B ship. They made their currency the
leaf and then had horrible inflation till they burned down all the forests
as an anti-inflation measure, and then they STILL couldn't figure out why
they STILL couldn't afford anything. They weren't MAKING anything! They
assigned the job of developing fire to some marketing people and they spent
their time in committee arguing about what people really WANTED out of
fire, should it ever be perfected!!
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"David Milne" <dmmilne@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:3D13F3BF.9C12C516@ozemail.com.au...
> They were told their home planet was about to be eaten by an intergalatic
goat,
> and they had to evacuate the planet. The planet got rid of a third of the
population,
> which were hairdressers, advertising agency people, telephone sanitation
technicians, etc
> who were on the "B" ark. However the rest of the population stayed home
and contracted
> a deadly disease from a dirty telephone.

You are correct. Great book and TV series all the same.

Trevor.

On 16 Jun 2002 18:45:24 GMT, Joe Bento wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:33:28 +1000, arpit
> <arpit@optushome.com.au.nospam> wrote:
>
>>Pity you live in Tallahasse, or I could have taken that pentium off
>>your hands :)
>>
>>On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:58:02 -0400, Joe Leikhim
>><jleikhim@nettally.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I agree with you 100%. I have a garage full of "broken" electronics for
which
>>>repair is impossible because of unavailability of proprietary OEM parts.
>>>Scrapping repair parts from similar products is unfeasible because the
devices
>
>>>usually fail in common manner due to marginal designs. We have regressed to
a
>>>point where consumer goods are designed to meet a minimum price point, fail
>>>early and often assuring repeat business for the manufacturer. "Planned
>>>obsolescense" (thanks Ralph Nader for that term) is an important business
>>>strategy for many technical industries. What the manufacturer sells as an
>>>"upgrade" or "migration" plan is often a wholesale trip to the dump for
>>>equipment built only a few years ago.
>>>
>>>The computer industry is a prime example of this. I have a Pentium computer
fo
> r
>>>which any form of upgrade is truly not sensible, everything down to the
power
>>>supply and case must now be junked.
>>>
>>>It is not only the hardware but the software. The software does not belong
to
>>>the end user, if the software fails or goes astray, the hardware is junk as
>>>well.
>>>
>>>We are headed to a real mess when we run out of space to put all this junk,
an
> d
>>>the heavy metals will accumulate in the environment. Already China and other
>>>countries are recycling these products in hazardous and dangerous ways to
>>>extract precious metals.
>
>
> I have read recently that California is considering a surcharge during
> purchase of electronic goods to cover the cost of disposal when an
> item is at the end of its useful life.  I can recall from living there
> most my life (till a move to Utah two years ago) that they try to
> recycle darn near everything.  BFI, our trash collection where I
> lived, supplied every household with five plastic bins to put out with
> your garbage.  They were for newsprint, mixed paper, cans, plastic,
> and glass.  Supposedly, it is more expensive to recycle than to
> manufacturer new, but California has always seemed to be
> environmentally conscious.  We even paid an impact fee for oil
> disposal when you had your car worked on.
>
> Now I move to Utah, and our community has no recycling of any kind.
> People don't want it, since it usually amounts to a couple dollars
> extra on your garbage bill each month.  Utah and our neighbour to the
> west, Nevada, seem to be the dumping grounds for whatever amount of
> waste, including nuclear and other extremely dangerous materials.
> People just don't seem to care.  Also, most seem to feel it is their
> God-given right to take their four wheelers, motorbikes, etc upon
> whatever pristine bit of forest or desert that remains.  Now President
> Bush wants to remove the protection from many of the West's national
> monuments for further oil exploration and recreational (ie motorized
> vehicles) use.

Just proves Americans are nice people but their politicians are just as
imbecilic as politicians the world over. The worst thing about Bush is that
he is president of the richest and most powerful nation in the world - making
any damage that he does even worse due to the enormity of the influence America
has directly or indirectly throughout the world.
 
>
> It will get to the point though where these issues are not just a
> regional problem here in Utah or the United States.  It sounds as
> though you have the same real concerns in Australia as well.
>
> Now we have a president that seems to feel that global warming is not
> even an issue.  While I don't think of myself as an environmental
> whacko or tree hugger, I do think we should all be responsible.
>
>
> Remove the "nospam" from my e-mail address to send e-mail.
>
> Joe

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On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:38:56 +0100, The Technical Manager wrote:

> Alan Liefting wrote:
>
>> Here in NZ will refill beer bottles and milk botles with no apparent
>> problems
>
> You have refillable beer bottles. How exactly does the customer get them
> refilled ?

You only rent beer - do I have spell it out for you how the bottles are
refilled? :)

>
> In Britain refillable milk bottles exist everywhere and refillable fizzy
> drink bottles used to exist but none for alcoholic drinks.

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On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:10:06 +0100, The Technical Manager wrote:

> David Milne wrote:
>
>> The Technical Manager wrote:
>>
>> > There was a time when kids at school in Britain had milk in returnable
bottl
> es.
>> > Very rarely were the bottles washed out before they were taken to be
refille
> d
>> > so the inside had a layer of dried on milk stuck on it. The cleaning
machine
> s
>> > at the refilling centre had difficulty in getting the bottles fully
cleaned
> so
>> > when they were refilled they often were contaminated. Sometimes the milk
>> > bottles were used by the kids to store all manner of chemicals in during
>> > science lessons and not washed out afterwards.
>> >
>> > Nowadays schools buy their milk in tetra paks.
>>
>> I remember when I was in year 1 or yr2, we had the glass milk bottles with
>> that little aluminium foil cap. Used to smooth the edges around so that it
>> looked like a small frisbee, and we used to flick them around the classroom.
>
> They were in use before my time so I never experienced them. I was informed
> that they were discontinued at the request of schools because there was a
> tendency for kids to throw them at walls and cover the place with glass
> fragments.

And in Northern Ireland they were a convenient way of making Molotov
cocktails.




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On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:37:41 +1200, Ken Taylor wrote:

>
> "The Technical Manager" <techman@niobiumfive.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3D10E51E.1D569D0@niobiumfive.co.uk...
>> David Milne wrote:
>>
>> > The Technical Manager wrote:
>> >
>> > > There was a time when kids at school in Britain had milk in returnable
> bottles.
>> > > Very rarely were the bottles washed out before they were taken to be
> refilled
>> > > so the inside had a layer of dried on milk stuck on it. The cleaning
> machines
>> > > at the refilling centre had difficulty in getting the bottles fully
> cleaned so
>> > > when they were refilled they often were contaminated. Sometimes the
> milk
>> > > bottles were used by the kids to store all manner of chemicals in
> during
>> > > science lessons and not washed out afterwards.
>> > >
>> > > Nowadays schools buy their milk in tetra paks.
>> >
>> > I remember when I was in year 1 or yr2, we had the glass milk bottles
> with
>> > that little aluminium foil cap. Used to smooth the edges around so that
> it
>> > looked like a small frisbee, and we used to flick them around the
> classroom.
>>
>> They were in use before my time so I never experienced them. I was
> informed that
>> they were discontinued at the request of schools because there was a
> tendency for
>> kids to throw them at walls and cover the place with glass fragments.
>
> I seem to recall the practice was discontinued purely as an economy measure
> by the government.

"Milk snatcher" Thatcher?

>
> Ken

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On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 18:20:36 +0000 (UTC), Stephen Shaw
<stephen@apple2.org.invalid.za> wrote:


>
>You only rent beer - do I have spell it out for you how the bottles are
>refilled? :)
>


Hehe.. I read an interesting story about stainless tanker trucks.  One
day they may be transferring some hazardous nasty chemical, and the
following day they'd slosh a few gallons of bleach around in the tank
to sanitize it.  Next they'd be transferring milk from the dairy to
the bottler.

I think cases like this most certainly be remote.  I'm certain there
must be some sort of laws prohibiting actions like this.


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>>> > > There was a time when kids at school in Britain had milk in
returnable
>> bottles.
>>> > > Very rarely were the bottles washed out before they were taken to be
>> refilled
>>> > > so the inside had a layer of dried on milk stuck on it. The cleaning
>> machines
>>> > > at the refilling centre had difficulty in getting the bottles fully
>> cleaned so
>>> > > when they were refilled they often were contaminated. Sometimes the
>> milk
>>> > > bottles were used by the kids to store all manner of chemicals in
>> during
>>> > > science lessons and not washed out afterwards.
>>> > >
>>> > > Nowadays schools buy their milk in tetra paks.

>> I seem to recall the practice was discontinued purely as an economy
measure
>> by the government.
>
>"Milk snatcher" Thatcher?

My guess is that was pure spin .....  milk is (mainly) water-soluble so will
come
off well with steam.  In school science lessons almost everything used is
water-soluble and you would want to stop drinking it way before it did you
any
real harm.  As for the glass fragments, I reckon a bit of glass in the skin
probably would be benign compared to long-term poisoning by some of the
stuff they use in milk cartons .....  plastic residues can contain all
manner of
nasties.

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Sparky at Nine Ladies wrote:

> >>> > > There was a time when kids at school in Britain had milk in
> returnable
> >> bottles.
> >>> > > Very rarely were the bottles washed out before they were taken to be
> >> refilled
> >>> > > so the inside had a layer of dried on milk stuck on it. The cleaning
> >> machines
> >>> > > at the refilling centre had difficulty in getting the bottles fully
> >> cleaned so
> >>> > > when they were refilled they often were contaminated. Sometimes the
> >> milk
> >>> > > bottles were used by the kids to store all manner of chemicals in
> >> during
> >>> > > science lessons and not washed out afterwards.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Nowadays schools buy their milk in tetra paks.
>
> >> I seem to recall the practice was discontinued purely as an economy
> measure
> >> by the government.
> >
> >"Milk snatcher" Thatcher?
>
> My guess is that was pure spin .....  milk is (mainly) water-soluble so will
> come
> off well with steam.  In school science lessons almost everything used is
> water-soluble and you would want to stop drinking it way before it did you
> any
> real harm.

Toluene, turps substitute, engine oil, gloss paint. I don't think these
dissolve in water. I used them all the time in my school science lessons.

> As for the glass fragments, I reckon a bit of glass in the skin
> probably would be benign compared to long-term poisoning by some of the
> stuff they use in milk cartons .....  plastic residues can contain all
> manner of
> nasties.

Its the glass strewn all over paths and paved areas that matter the most. My
school bought milk in glass bottles for kids until 1978 when they changed to
tetra paks because they were fed up with bottles being thrown at walls.

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