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Started by Robert Howard
Sun, 03 Oct 1999 00:00
Christian origins
Author: Robert Howard
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 00:00
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 00:00
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How many Christians who never seem to look past the bible have any idea of the religious environment at the time of the founding of Christianity? How many know an almost identical religion already existed long before the birth of Christ? In fact Christianity is not unique. In 6BC a mythical character called Mithra was the central figure in a religion known as Mithraism. Briefly these are the main points of Mithraism - 1. He was known as the good shepherd, the way & the light, the redeemer, the saviour and the messiah. 2.He was born in a cave on 25th December visited by shepherds and magi. 3. He toured the countryside teaching and performing miracles accompanied by 12 disciples. He cast out devils, returned sight to the blind and healed the lame. 4.He was known as the lion and the lamb. 5.He held a last supper then was killed and buried in a rock tomb. He rose after 3 days and ascended into heaven about the 21st March (Easter). 6.His followers celebrated his resurrection and held Sunday services with a Eucarist and 6 sacraments. Sceptics say Christians took over Mithraic beliefs to influence pagans to Jesus. St. Augustine stated Mithraic priests worshipped the same god as the Christians. Most modern Christians know nothing about Mithraism and the other pagan religions which so closely resembled Christianity. That is partly because Christianity has become so prominent that the modern Christian church has been able to bury it's beginnings with paganism. The early church members were only too well aware of paganism and it's similarity to Christianity. We know they took over pagan feast days and substituted Christian festivals. They tried to explain it away by saying the devil predicted the rise of Christ and started the pagan religions to undermine the coming Christianity. In turn the pagans who were not completely stupid knew a lot of their ideas were myths not literally true yet Christians turned around and said we know your religion is myth but our Jesus really did have a virgin birth and rose from the dead. The pagans regarded the Christians as arrogant and denigrating to their religions. No doubt that had a lot to do with later Christian persecutions. 1,000 years before Christianity Osiris the Egyptian God judged the dead in the underworld and returned them to their earthly bodies. That is why Egyptians mummified their dead to preserve them for the later life. The ancients believed in God who was manifest in a number of gods, Osiris, Mithra, Dionysis, Bacchus etc. Dionysis is credited with miracles one being the turning of water into wine at a wedding feast long before Jesus. These gods also gave people morals and principles for living as did Jesus. "Love your enemies" was not a unique quote of Jesus but came from an early religion. As an atheist I see it all as the slow development of the human race with no divine intervention. How can any Christian say they have the one eternal truth when Christianity demonstrably is not unique? Bob Howard.
Re: Christian origins
Author: Robert Howard
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:00
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:00
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Robert Howard <rhoward@thenet.co.nz> wrote in article > > In 6BC a mythical character called Mithra was the central figure in a > religion known as Mithraism. Briefly these are the main points of Mithraism I made a significant errort in that statement. The date was 600 BC not 6, well before Christianity. Bob Howard.
Re: Christian origins
Author: Robert Davidson
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:00
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:00
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Robert Howard wrote: > How can any Christian say they have the one eternal truth when Christianity > demonstrably is not unique? Bob, it would be helpful to have citations on Mithra etc (thanks for those you've already posted) to support the argument. Robert Davidson
Re: Christian origins
Author: Robert Howard
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:00
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:00
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Robert Davidson <s036614@student.uq.edu.au> wrote in article > > Bob, it would be helpful to have citations on Mithra etc (thanks for those > you've already posted) to support the argument. > > Robert Davidson I am afraid I don't know what you mean by a citation. Can you explain again exactly what you want? I got that information from a web site which has good unbiased information on all religions and from the book I mentioned in my last post. Bob Howard.
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