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Article #734Re: Zogby Joins Those Questioning Election Results
From: Gary J. English
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:34
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:34
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On 20 Nov 2004 00:19:36 -0800, fountaingrove@hotmail.com (Barney Lyon) wrote: >November 18, 2004 by Inter Press Service >US Election: Democracy in Question >by Ritt Goldstein > >STOCKHOLM - John Zogby, president of the polling firm Zogby >International, told IPS he has been calling it "the Armageddon >election" for about a year. Independent presidential candidate Ralph >Nader believes the Republican Party was able to "steal it before >election day." > >Facts suggest something went very wrong on Nov. 2. > >Speculation focuses upon a number of questions -- purposeful >miscounts, anomalies surrounding electronic voting (e-voting) >machines, particularly the optical scan types; and numerous reports of >voting "irregularities" in heavily Democratic areas. > >"What they 'do' is minorities," Nader said, highlighting the thrust of >Republican efforts, "and make sure that there aren't enough voting >machines for the minority areas. They have to wait in line ... for >hours, and most of them don't. There are all kinds of ways, and that's >why I was quoted as saying, "this election was hijacked from A to Z," >Nader told IPS. > >Zogby was concerned about the difference between some of the exit >polls (surveys of individuals who have just cast ballots) and the >official vote counts. "We're talking about the Free World here," he >pointedly noted. > >On Nov. 10, University of Pennsylvania Professor Steven F Freeman, >whose expertise includes "research methods," compiled an analysis >entitled 'The Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepancy'. The document was >prepared in view of the unusually large differences between what exit >polls had predicted and the recorded vote tallies. > >His findings suggest Democratic challenger Senator John Kerry should >have received far more votes than he did. > >In three of the key battleground states -- Florida, Ohio and >Pennsylvania -- Freeman's analysis states the odds of Kerry receiving >the percentage of votes recorded, given the exit poll findings, were >less than three in one thousand, per state. > >Freeman also determined that the odds of any two of these states >simultaneously reaching their stated vote tallies were "on the order >of one-in-a-million," and the odds of all three states arriving at the >vote counts they did "are 250 million to one." > >"Something is definitely wrong," said Zogby. > >Highlighting both the expected accuracy of exit polls and the >significant disparity that Kerry's defeat illustrated, Republican >consultant, commentator and Fox-TV News regular Dick Morris wrote an >article, 'Those Faulty Exit Polls Were Sabotage', suggesting a >pollster conspiracy to swing the election for Kerry. > >In doing so he, perhaps inadvertently, provided ammunition for >arguments from the opposite side -- that the exit polls were correct >but the final results were fudged. "Exit polls are almost never >wrong," argued Morris, and in 10 of the 11 key states they had >predicted significantly fewer votes for Republican President George W >Bush than he was eventually credited with. > >In New Hampshire, Bush tallied a surprising 9.5 percent more votes >than predicted, the most significant difference in any of the key >states. > >Morris observed that outside the United States, exit polls are often >used to provide a check on official vote counts, in his words, "to >foreclose the possibility of finagling with the returns." > >Among the most cited exit polls were those conducted by Mitofsky >International, whose founder, Warren Mitofsky, is widely credited with >having invented exit polling. Zogby, whose firm was not among those >that provided network TV coverage of the Nov. 2 election, described >the possibility of either incompetence or fraud causing the >controversial deviation as "impossible." > >According to Zogby, it would have required "wrong sampling in wrong >areas throughout the country," or the purposeful manipulation of data >to obtain exit poll results so significantly different from the >official totals. He viewed neither as a possibility. > >When asked what exactly had happened then, Zogby replied, "a problem, >but I don't know where it is ... something's wrong here, though." > >On Nov. 5, Nader requested a hand recount of New Hampshire ballots, >subsequently telling IPS he had "reports of irregularities there, and >we have the cooperation of the state government ... the state >attorney-general and secretary of state." > >Nader also said his headquarters had been flooded with requests for >assistance from a number of states. > >On Thursday, five of the 11 New Hampshire voting wards where Nader >requested a recount will undertake new tallies. According to his >staff, all 11 wards had their votes counted with optical scan >machines, primarily the AccuVote models made by Diebold. > >"If there are irregularities, it may have broader applications in >other states," Nader said, adding that the current recount -- a >45,000-vote sample -- is expected to be completed within a week. > >Allegations regarding optical scan machines' potentially allowing the >manipulation of Florida's vote have been widely reported. In Ohio, the >Green and Libertarian parties are pursuing a recount, numerous >instances of voting irregularities having been reported there. > >"As far as I'm concerned, this election was clearly stolen. What they >did in Ohio was systematically deny thousands of African Americans, >and other suspected Democrats, the vote," charged progressive author, >commentator and activist Harvey Wasserman of Franklin County, Ohio. > >"It was like Mississippi in the fifties, and it was deliberate ... had >there been enough (voting) machines, and had people equal access to >the polls with a reliable vote count, there is no doubt that John >Kerry would have carried Ohio," he told IPS. > >The Nov. 14 'Cleveland Plain Dealer', one of the country's top 50 >broadsheets, reported a Nov. 13 voter hearing where: "For three hours, >burdened voters, one after another, offered sworn testimony about >election day voter suppression and irregularities that they believe >are threatening democracy." > >"People are deeply concerned that this is the end of American >democracy, that we cannot get a fair election," Wasserman said, >poignantly adding, "there was no question of apathy in this election >-- we had more volunteers than could be used ... thousands and >thousands of grass-roots volunteers." > >If Kerry had taken Ohio, he would have taken the presidency. > >"In the end, what Nader is doing in New Hampshire is the best answer. >And if there's a recount in Ohio," that is also important, said >Charles Franklin, a University of Wisconsin-Madison political >scientist who specializes in statistical methods, elections and public >opinion. > >Somewhat concerned about the possible manipulation of e-voting >machines, Franklin was more concerned over "the ordinary >administration of elections," citing the simple logistical problems >that had plagued voters. > >He pointedly noted that the last two presidential elections >highlighted "how the decisions of local people (officials) ... can >have a considerable influence over who gets to vote, what rules >govern." > >When asked if he was aware of any parallels to the present election, >Zogby replied, "I'm certainly aware of the election of 1960." > >"It's been discussed, overtly, the roll that Richard Daley, and the >roll that Lyndon Johnson played, separately," Zogby said, referring to >an episode where the John F Kennedy campaign had supposedly asked, >"How many votes do you have?", the reply allegedly being, "How many >votes do you need?" > >Of course, such examples also serve to highlight the influence "local >people" can exert on an election's outcome. > >In the end, many people speculated that the 1960 incidents were not >part of a grand conspiracy per se, but the cumulative effects of the >actions of a number of individuals who shared a similar perspective, >acted semi-independently, and did whatever it took to win. > >Political "dirty tricks" culminated in the Watergate scandal, forcing >then President Richard Nixon (1969-1974) to resign, ushering in a long >era without similar illicit activity, until questions raised by the >election of 2000. > >With American democracy, until now, providing an effective model for >many, as Zogby said, "we're talking about the Free World here." > >http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1118-11.htm
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