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On Oct 24, 8:43 pm, Orval Fairbairn <o_r_fairbairn@earth_link.net>
wrote:

> Obama is experienced at WHAT?

I'm glad you asked that, Orval.  Barak Obama has ten years experience
in public office, more than the two other leading Democratic
candidates, Hillary Clinton (six-plus years as Senator from New York)
and John Edwards (six years as Senator from North Carolina). Barack's
first eight years spent in the Illinois senate before his two years
(and counting) of service in the U.S. Senate, should not be forgotten.
Far away from the Washington spotlight, he introduced, voted on and
passed bills, debated with his colleagues—something that was missing
in Washington, where everything is settled in the backroom—and
arduously worked to satisfy his constituents. Most important of all,
he learned that how to work across the aisle, and get stuff done.


> He has zero executive experience

umm...read what paragraph above again, Orval.  Barak Obama has ten
years executive experience.


 has zero legislative accomplishments


Orval?   In the Illinois State Senate, Barak Obama worked with both
Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by
creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in
three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across
the state. He also pushed through an expansion of early childhood
education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found
innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to
require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all
capital cases.  I'd call that a bit more than "nothing". AND in the
U.S. Senate, he has focused on tackling the challenges of a
globalized, 21st century world with fresh thinking and a politics that
no longer settles for the lowest common denominator. His first law was
passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in
government by allowing every American to go online and see how and
where every dime of their tax dollars are spent. He has also been the
lead voice in championing ethics reform that would root out Jack
Abramoff-style corruption in Congress.

> and has been in the Senate for 143 days -- most of it spent running for
> President.

> His only experience that I can recall is helping ACORN rig the vote in
> Chicago,

Now, Orval.  There you go again with the lies.  In 1995, Mr. Obama was
on a team of lawyers that represented Acorn in a lawsuit to compel
Illinois to comply with federal laws intended to enhance access to the
polls. The team also represented Equip for Equality, a group that
promotes the rights of the disabled, and four individuals.  That is
his entire association with them.  The "vote rigging" that you
referred to was when they hired some people to register votes who
wrote in prank names such as "Mickey Mouse" on voter registration
forms.  The people with the false names never would have been able to
vote anyway since identification is required prior to voting and Obama
wasn't even involved in that, so please.  You're sounding very silly
about now.


 listening to a hate monger in a racist church for 20 years,

Obama himself said about the Rev.:

" I knew Rev. Wright as someone who served this nation with honor as a
United States Marine, as a respected biblical scholar, and as someone
who taught or lectured at seminaries across the country, from Union
Theological Seminary to the University of Chicago. He also led a
diverse congregation that was and still is a pillar of the South Side
and the entire city of Chicago. It's a congregation that does not
merely preach social justice but acts it out each day, through
ministries ranging from housing the homeless to reaching out to those
with HIV/AIDS.

Most importantly, Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel
on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my
political advisor; he's been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him
preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another,
to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.  The
statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this
controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I
sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private
conversation."

"Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly
condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy.
I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great
country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that
words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue,
whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject
outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue. "


> funneling public funds to his political friends like Tony Rezko,

Obama hasn't been associated with Rezko since his indictment for wire
fraud, bribery, money laundering and attempted extortion, and Obama
donated  ALL  of the disgraced businessman's previous campaign
contributions to charity.  Your proof is right here:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/guilt_and_associations.html


> association with unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers and then trying to
> downplay all of that "experience" that he built up.

Sorry, chump.  Obama was just a little kid when the radical behavior
of Bill Ayers took place.  As for his being "unrepentant", you are
leaving out the fact that Ayers and his wife turned themselves in back
in the 80's.  Since then they have been prominent members of the
academic community and have worked hard to make schools better places
for our kids.  Ayers hosted a small gathering for Obama years ago,
just as a lot of people do, and they served on a committee together.
What was that you said about Keatings?


> Never once did he challenge the most corrupt political machine in the
> country, the Chicago Daley Democrat machine.

Barak Obama is all about change, unlike the old man McSame.


> Obama's "experience" qualifies him to buy a cup of coffee at Starbuck's
> for $4.00.

So says you, but then you aren't anyone of any notability and you
haven't substantiated anything at all here.


>  McCain has been a leader in the Navy and has sponsored numerous
> legislative initiatives in the Senate.

John McCain graduated near the lowest in his class at the military
academy that he never would have gotten into if his father hadn't
pulled strings for him.  He served in the military and did a damned
good job of it.  I'll give him that, but he is just another spokesman
for the radical right lunatic fringe.  He is going to lose this
election anyway.  Barak Obama is your next President little fella.