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"Frank Delgase" <delgase@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Perhaps with a bit of luck our American electorates
> would give George W. Bush a one way ticket back to
> Texas where he belongs. Amazing how a US president can
> lie so much and still enjoy vast public approval.

Yet you want someone in office who lies under oath and says the people he
served with were war criminals.

Scott Hedrick <dinehnm@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Yet you want someone in office who lies under oath and says the people he
>served with were war criminals.

Man, was he a liar.  Clinton I mean.

But yeah, I would much rather have a horn-dog in office than a warmonger.
Seriously.  There are a lot of comparisons of JFK and Clinton, but most
folks think JKF was a great president, but he was as bad as WJC.

				stef

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Stef wrote:

> Scott Hedrick <dinehnm@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>>Yet you want someone in office who lies under oath and says the people he
>>served with were war criminals.
> 
> 
> Man, was he a liar.  Clinton I mean.
> 
> But yeah, I would much rather have a horn-dog in office than a warmonger.
> Seriously.  

Sure...just look at what happens when ya wag the dog a few too many times...

http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin_laden.htmClinton 
Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize
Sudan offered up the terrorist and data on his network. The 
then-president and his advisors didn't respond.

By MANSOOR IJAZ
President Clinton and his national security team ignored several 
opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, 
including one as late as last year.

I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities.

 From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the 
Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries, 
including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy" 
Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief. President Omar 
Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan 
lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed 
intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's 
Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.

Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted 
commercial airliners into the World Trade Center.

The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers 
was deafening.



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"Stef" <stef@swcp.com> wrote in message news:closge$i33$2@iruka.swcp.com...
> Scott Hedrick <dinehnm@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Yet you want someone in office who lies under oath and says the people he
>>served with were war criminals.
>
> Man, was he a liar.  Clinton I mean.
>
> But yeah, I would much rather have a horn-dog in office than a warmonger.

Right. Lincoln and FDR were both pieces of shit.


> Seriously.  There are a lot of comparisons of JFK and Clinton, but most
> folks think JKF was a great president, but he was as bad as WJC.

JFK invaded Cuba and chickened out in the middle of it. He was an idiot and 
coward as well as a philanderer.

>
> stef
>
> -- 
> Change your views to respect the truth, not vice-versa. 

They know the treason Kerry committed by giving aid & comfort to the enemy 
during Vietnam, and he's done the same now, so they have every reason to 
believe they can get this country to cut and run by electing him.

Terrorists hope to defeat Bush through Iraq violence

BAGHDAD - Leaders and supporters of the anti-U.S. insurgency say their 
attacks in recent weeks have a clear objective: The greater the violence, 
the greater the chances that President Bush will be defeated on Tuesday and 
the Americans will go home.

"If the U.S. Army suffered numerous humiliating losses, [Democratic 
presidential nominee Sen. John] Kerry would emerge as the superman of the 
American people," said Mohammad Amin Bashar, a leader of the Muslim 
Scholars Association, a hard-line clerical group that vocally supports the 
resistance.

Resistance leader Abu Jalal boasted that the mounting violence had 
already hurt Mr. Bush's chances.

"American elections and Iraq are linked tightly together," he told a 
Fallujah-based Iraqi reporter. "We've got to work to change the election, 
and we've done so. With our strikes, we've dragged Bush into the mud."   
Mowafaq Al-Tai, a London-educated architect and intellectual, said 
different types of resistance fighters have different views of the U.S. 
election.

The most pro-Kerry, he said, are the former Saddam Hussein loyalists - 
Ba'ath Party members and others who think Washington might scale back its 
ambitions for Iraq if Mr. Kerry wins, allowing them to re-enter civic life.

The most pro-Bush, he said, are the foreign extremists. "They prefer 
Bush, because he's a provocative figure, and the more they can push people 
to the extreme, the better for their case."

Abu Jalal, answering questions submitted to him through the Iraqi 
journalist, devised a simple formula for how his group's attacks on 
American soldiers draw votes from Mr. Bush.

"They say there are 1,100 dead soldiers. That means 1,100 families hold 
grudges against Bush and hate him. There are 6,000 families whose sons were 
injured who hate Bush and will not re-elect him."

But even within the resistance, not all agree that removing Mr. Bush 
from office would make a difference.

"The nation of infidels is one, and Bush and Kerry are two faces of the 
same coin," said Abu Obeida, nom de guerre of a leader of Fallujah's al-
Noor Jihadi regiment. "What is taken by force will be returned only by 
force, and we don't care what the results of the elections are."
    
Among ordinary Iraqis interested only in a return to peace and 
stability, there is far less clarity about what the American election might 
bring. Many, like 35-year-old bank branch manager Sahar Mahmoud, say they 
are bewildered by media reports about the nuances of polling, swing states 
and attack ads.

"It's a very big political game, and something that we are very far 
from," he said. "We are very tired people, and we're just emerging from a 
big crisis. So we can't imagine what other people are going through."
Zeydoon Mohamad Jassem Najar, a biology student at Baghdad University, 
simply shakes his head as the U.S. politicians argue over his country's 
fate.

"It's like everybody is looking out for their own interests and nobody 
is looking for the Iraqi people's interests," he said. "It's like a game of 
personal interests between Bush and the other guy."

Mr. Bashar, a professor at Baghdad's Islamic University, said he and 
many of those who oppose the U.S. presence in Iraq were rooting for Mr. 
Kerry.

"I think if Kerry wins, he's going to try to get world support and 
United Nations involvement," he said during an interview at Baghdad's Um 
al-Qura mosque. "You'll see a different situation in Iraq if the United 
Nations is involved."

But Nazar Judi, a 41-year-old money trader who had his right hand cut 
off by Saddam Hussein's security forces nine years ago, is squarely in the 
Bush camp.

"I prefer Bush over the other guy because he knows Iraq well," said Mr. 
Judi, who received a new prosthetic hand from the U.S. Army and was flown 
to Washington to meet Mr. Bush in person. "I hope he wins his election 
because he wants to modernize Iraq."

A photograph of the American president shaking Mr. Judi's prosthetic 
hand hangs on the wall of a back room at his Khademiya office. In the front 
room, however, are portraits of Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the 
vehemently anti-U.S. Iranian cleric, and his successor, Ali Khamenei, the 
current theocratic ruler of Iran.

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20041027-121030-7792r.htm





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"Stef" <stef@swcp.com> wrote in message news:closge$i33$2@iruka.swcp.com...
> Scott Hedrick <dinehnm@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Yet you want someone in office who lies under oath and says the people he
> >served with were war criminals.
>
> Man, was he a liar.  Clinton I mean.

Clinton, on the other hand, wasn't a war criminal. Kerry said under oath
that those who served in Vietnam were. Since he served in Vietnam, that
makes him a war criminal as well.