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cor wrote:

> 
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:01:13 PST
> From: "Peter G. Neumann" <neumann@csl.sri.com>
> Subject: Some 2004 voting anomalies
> 
> For those of you interested in following a collection of reported problems
> more carefully, here are just a few reported anomalies, collected from a
> variety of sources:
> 
> * Palm Beach County logged 88,000 more votes than people who had voted in
>   the presidential race.  (Teresa LePore of 2000 Butterfly Ballot fame is
>   the County supervisor of elections there.)


Because people do in fact vote in elections without voting for every
position on the ballot.  Simply look at the Oregon returns, the number of
presidential votes is different than the number of U.S. Senator votes,
which is different than the vote totals for the State measures.


> 
> * A Franklin County Ohio machine error gave Bush 3,893 extra votes in a
>   precinct in Gahanna.  The correct totals were 365 for Bush, 260 for
>   Kerry.


The key here, of course, is that the error was found and corrected.  Proving
the audit checks worked.


> 
> * In Broward County FL, in balloting for Amendment 4, ES&S software for
>   tabulating absentee ballots began counting BACKWARDS once a total of
>   32,767 [2^15 - 1, in a signed 16-bit field] votes had been reached in a
>   precinct.  When this was discovered, the corrected totals for the
>   precinct went from 166,000 to 240,000, and actually caused the statewide
>   results to
>   be reversed on this amendment.  Apparently the same flaw was detected
>   two years ago in the same software, and remained uncorrected.
>   Nick Simicich wondered in a long message to RISKS:
>     Do you suppose that they "fixed" this by making the 16 bit field
>     unsigned?  Or do you suppose that they counted the numbers separately
>     using, say, floating point so that they could check the results for
>     large discrepancies?  Or maybe that they checked the before and after
>     to see that the numbers increased when they added to them...or
>     anything
>     else that they could do to make this self auditing?  Nah...frankly,
>     I'm
>     scared by the stupidity of this error.  This is a problem that needs
>     an open source solution.



Error found, error fixed.  Wonder what would have happened to U.S. history
if Nixon insisted that error which allowed dead people to vote was
corrected?




> 
> * The failure of the ES&S ranked-choice vote-counting software in the San
>   Francisco Supervisors' election that I noted in RISKS-23.58 turns out to
>   have been a hard-coded constant maximum number of voters that was set
>   too
>   low.  The fix was utterly trivial, but wisely required recertification
>   by
>   the State.  [Perhaps the same programmer wrote the Broward software?]


Actually, the one think in common is that both are in counties where
democratic election officials run the elections.  


> 
> * Bev Harris reported that ``Jeff Fisher, the Democratic candidate for the
>   U.S. House from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI
>   to
>   show up.  Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida
>   election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how... In Baker County,
>   for example, with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and
>   24.3% of them Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738
>   for Bush.... Dick Morris [famous consultant to both parties, now with
>   Fox News] wrote "So, according to ABC-TVs exit polls, for example, Kerry
>   was slated to carry Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, and
>   Iowa.... Exit polls cannot be as wrong across the board as they were on
>   election night. I
>   suspect foul play." ''  [See http://www.blackboxvoting.org , *NOT* .com]


Reread Morris' essay, you left out a critical pieces.  Apparently you failed
Michael Moore's school of fact checking.


> 
> * Incidentally, Ralph Barone noted an article on the internal database
>   structures of the Diebold voting machines, plus how to hack an election
>   and cover your trail afterwards.
>     http://www.blackboxvoting.com/scoop/S00065.htm


Yet Philly, which has a democrat mayor, district attorney, and election
officials, not to mention a governor that was a former DNC boss thinks your
full of shit.

Did you know cor that mechanisms that count paper ballots can also be
"manipulated"?  oh dear

> 
> * There were numerous reports of screens "jumping" votes in ES&S and Hart
>   InterCivic machines, where casting a straight-party subsequently changes
>   the vote for the President before exiting.
> 
> * Also reported were many cases of long lines and long waits only in
> certain
>   politically skewed precincts, many legitimate voters who claim they were
>   disenfranchised, voters who were given special optical scan pens that
>   were not capable of being tallied, and so on.



Over and over again, this is done in areas run by democrats, who choose the
voting mechanism.

And Kerry surrendered.

"cor" <corDELETE_BEFORE_REPLYING@exchangenet.net> wrote in message
news:419138C9.C0E560C8@exchangenet.net...
>
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:01:13 PST
> From: "Peter G. Neumann" <neumann@csl.sri.com>
> Subject: Some 2004 voting anomalies
>
> For those of you interested in following a collection of reported problems
> more carefully, here are just a few reported anomalies, collected from a
> variety of sources:
>
> * Palm Beach County logged 88,000 more votes than people who had voted in
>   the presidential race.  (Teresa LePore of 2000 Butterfly Ballot fame is
>   the County supervisor of elections there.)
>
> * A Franklin County Ohio machine error gave Bush 3,893 extra votes in a
>   precinct in Gahanna.  The correct totals were 365 for Bush, 260 for
Kerry.
>
> * In Broward County FL, in balloting for Amendment 4, ES&S software for
>   tabulating absentee ballots began counting BACKWARDS once a total of
>   32,767 [2^15 - 1, in a signed 16-bit field] votes had been reached in a
>   precinct.  When this was discovered, the corrected totals for the
precinct
>   went from 166,000 to 240,000, and actually caused the statewide results
to
>   be reversed on this amendment.  Apparently the same flaw was detected
two
>   years ago in the same software, and remained uncorrected.
>   Nick Simicich wondered in a long message to RISKS:
>     Do you suppose that they "fixed" this by making the 16 bit field
>     unsigned?  Or do you suppose that they counted the numbers separately
>     using, say, floating point so that they could check the results for
>     large discrepancies?  Or maybe that they checked the before and after
to
>     see that the numbers increased when they added to them...or anything
>     else that they could do to make this self auditing?  Nah...frankly,
I'm
>     scared by the stupidity of this error.  This is a problem that needs
an
>     open source solution.
>
> * The failure of the ES&S ranked-choice vote-counting software in the San
>   Francisco Supervisors' election that I noted in RISKS-23.58 turns out to
>   have been a hard-coded constant maximum number of voters that was set
too
>   low.  The fix was utterly trivial, but wisely required recertification
by
>   the State.  [Perhaps the same programmer wrote the Broward software?]
>
> * Bev Harris reported that ``Jeff Fisher, the Democratic candidate for the
>   U.S. House from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI
to
>   show up.  Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida
election
>   was hacked, but of who hacked it and how... In Baker County, for
example,
>   with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them
>   Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush....
Dick
>   Morris [famous consultant to both parties, now with Fox News] wrote "So,
>   according to ABC-TVs exit polls, for example, Kerry was slated to carry
>   Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, and Iowa.... Exit polls
>   cannot be as wrong across the board as they were on election night. I
>   suspect foul play." ''  [See http://www.blackboxvoting.org , *NOT* .com]
>
> * Incidentally, Ralph Barone noted an article on the internal database
>   structures of the Diebold voting machines, plus how to hack an election
>   and cover your trail afterwards.
>     http://www.blackboxvoting.com/scoop/S00065.htm
>
> * There were numerous reports of screens "jumping" votes in ES&S and Hart
>   InterCivic machines, where casting a straight-party subsequently changes
>   the vote for the President before exiting.
>
> * Also reported were many cases of long lines and long waits only in
certain
>   politically skewed precincts, many legitimate voters who claim they were
>   disenfranchised, voters who were given special optical scan pens that
were
>   not capable of being tallied, and so on.
>
> Many Web sources provided running lists of reported anomalies, such as
>   http://www.votersunite.org
>   http://fairvote.org/easttowest.pdf
>   https://voteprotect.org
>   http://www.verifiedvoting.org/eirs/
>   http://www.electionprotection2004.org/coalition.htm
>   http://www.blackboxvoting.org

gatt wrote:
> And Kerry surrendered.

   "Humble words and increased preparations are signs
    that the enemy is about to advance.  Violent language
    and driving forward as if to the attack are signs that he
    will retreat."


>
> "cor" <corDELETE_BEFORE_REPLYING@exchangenet.net> wrote in
> message news:419138C9.C0E560C8@exchangenet.net...
> >
> > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:01:13 PST
> > From: "Peter G. Neumann" <neumann@csl.sri.com>
> > Subject: Some 2004 voting anomalies
> >
> > For those of you interested in following a collection of
> > reported problems more carefully, here are just a few
> > reported anomalies, collected from a variety of sources:
> >
> > * Palm Beach County logged 88,000 more votes than people
> >   who had voted in the presidential race.  (Teresa LePore
> >   of 2000 Butterfly Ballot fame is the County supervisor
> > of elections there.)
> >
> > * A Franklin County Ohio machine error gave Bush 3,893
> >   extra votes in a precinct in Gahanna.  The correct
> > totals were 365 for Bush, 260 for Kerry.
> >
> > * In Broward County FL, in balloting for Amendment 4,
> >   ES&S software for tabulating absentee ballots began
> >   counting BACKWARDS once a total of 32,767 [2^15 - 1, in
> >   a signed 16-bit field] votes had been reached in a
> >   precinct.  When this was discovered, the corrected
> >   totals for the precinct went from 166,000 to 240,000,
> >   and actually caused the statewide results to be
> >   reversed on this amendment.  Apparently the same flaw
> >     was detected two years ago in the same software, and
> >     remained uncorrected. Nick Simicich wondered in a
> >     long message to RISKS: Do you suppose that they
> >     "fixed" this by making the 16 bit field unsigned?  Or
> >     do you suppose that they counted the numbers
> >     separately using, say, floating point so that they
> >     could check the results for large discrepancies?  Or
> >     maybe that they checked the before and after to see
> > that the numbers increased when they added to them...or
> > anything else that they could do to make this self
> > auditing?  Nah...frankly, I'm scared by the stupidity of
> > this error.  This is a problem that needs an open source
> > solution.
> >
> > * The failure of the ES&S ranked-choice vote-counting
> >   software in the San Francisco Supervisors' election
> >   that I noted in RISKS-23.58 turns out to have been a
> >   hard-coded constant maximum number of voters that was
> >   set too low.  The fix was utterly trivial, but wisely
> > required recertification by the State.  [Perhaps the same
> > programmer wrote the Broward software?]
> >
> > * Bev Harris reported that ``Jeff Fisher, the Democratic
> >   candidate for the U.S. House from Florida's 16th
> >   District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up.
> >   Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida
> >   election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how... In
> >   Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered
> >   voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them
> >   Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and
> >   7,738 for Bush.... Dick Morris [famous consultant to
> >   both parties, now with Fox News] wrote "So, according
> >   to ABC-TVs exit polls, for example, Kerry was slated to
> > carry Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, and
> > Iowa.... Exit polls cannot be as wrong across the board
> > as they were on election night. I suspect foul play." ''
> > [See http://www.blackboxvoting.org , *NOT* .com]
> >
> > * Incidentally, Ralph Barone noted an article on the
> >   internal database structures of the Diebold voting
> >   machines, plus how to hack an election and cover your
> >     trail afterwards.
> > http://www.blackboxvoting.com/scoop/S00065.htm
> >
> > * There were numerous reports of screens "jumping" votes
> >   in ES&S and Hart InterCivic machines, where casting a
> >   straight-party subsequently changes the vote for the
> > President before exiting.
> >
> > * Also reported were many cases of long lines and long
> >   waits only in certain politically skewed precincts,
> >   many legitimate voters who claim they were
> >   disenfranchised, voters who were given special optical
> > scan pens that were not capable of being tallied, and so
> > on.
> >
> > Many Web sources provided running lists of reported
> >   anomalies, such as http://www.votersunite.org
> >   http://fairvote.org/easttowest.pdf
> >   https://voteprotect.org
> >   http://www.verifiedvoting.org/eirs/
> >   http://www.electionprotection2004.org/coalition.htm
> >   http://www.blackboxvoting.org