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Tom Hendricks <112374.474@compuserve.com> wrote in
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>tones wrote:
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>> Tom Hendricks <112374.474@compuserve.com> wrote in
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>> >Don't you think that it is strange that no local band anywhere in the
>> >US is played on mainstream radio?
>> >None zero, zip.
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>> People just aren't buying them today. Radio accomodates it's
>> listeners. 
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>No, radio just isn't playing them any more. 

No, Tom. They lacked things necessary for longevity: persistence and 
consistency. (to oversimplify it. There are MANY factors involved in 
success, not just mainstream $$, because these bands landed major deals.)
Lots of bands blow lots of oppurtunities. You can't blame it all on radio.


>But you are exactly right
>when you say that Dallas (mostly in the late 80's early 90's) was
>playing some locals on even mainstream radio. 

Proving that there is no set bias Tom. One of my favorite local bands today 
is Sub Oslo, but they don't fit the format of most commercial radio 
stations. Yet if the Toadies were coming out with Rubberneck today, they'd 
get just as much attention as they did then. 


>but it showed that local music could be the equal of corporate radio. 

It showed that radio doesn't dictate the hits, it accomodates the majority. 
The new Toadies album flopped.


>> >As to popularity I've offered cash on my website if you can find a
>> >hit from 1981 - now. That fits some simple 'good song' requirements.
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>> This gets more and more absurd, Tom.
>> 1981?
>> Blondie - The Tide is High ? 

>Nope, not good enough. Go to the website for details.

Even though 'The Tide is High' wasn't written in 81, it was a hit in that 
year, and it fits your 'qualifications' to a T. (And is arguably a better 
song than 'Every Breath You Take'.)


>> >There hasn't been one by any star  - period.
                                         ^^^^^^
But now you admit the Police had already been noted? I assume your lies are 
intentional then?


>> >If you can think up ANY way that would test which is more popular Big
>> >5 clone music vs. indy music, I'll do it.
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>> Sales.
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>Sales? You mean after the Big 5 spend 100,000 per band in marketing vs.
>a local musician with none?
>Ain't fair. Try again.

How about local sales, Tom. Consider how popular Pimpadelic is(was?). They 
got that way without the big 5's money, and have(had?) a HUGE following 
locally, so much that anyone following the local scene had to take notice. 
You know what? I don't care for their music. They could play them on the 
radio, and I'd still tell you radio sucks. But they will consistently 
outSALE other, better local artists.  You just can't account for people's 
bad taste.

If a local band has no promotion, they have little chance of being 
successful. It is not the responsibility of radio to promote fledgling 
artists, but to satisfy their listeners.
Your position is understandable Tom, radio sucks to me too. The point is, I 
noticed quite a while ago that MANY people like what the radio plays.
You continue to flood this NG with your position, without DISCUSSING any 
points besides your own. I have nothing personal against you or your 
little 'publication', but if your not going to listen to reasonable 
discussion, you should accept that you will continue being disappointed, 
not just with radio, but with all mainstream media. We are not the 
mainstream, Tom. Did you notice my mention of what MY favorite music from 
'91 is? So how is 'Every Breath You Take' even relevant to 'good music'. 

What I consider 'good music' has generally NEVER been played on mainstream 
radio. I'd let friends in high school listen to bands like Bauhaus and 
Skinny Puppy, and they'd consider THAT crap. They'd turn off groups like 
Tribe Called Quest and Public Enemy (more stuff I liked), but they'd buy 
the new Too Short or NWA (with no radio play, btw)

A few nights ago I'd went to Cosmo's to have a drink, thinking of the good 
selection on their jukebox. I got there, and they were playing a couple of 
rock songs (crap) I hadn't heard before. Next thing you know, someone plays 
'Thriller' by Michael Jackson. Those people were dancing and getting down. 
The whole place seemed to be moving to the groove. Next was 'Wanna be 
Startin Somethin', then a couple of songs by Journey (Yuck!) and I had to 
leave. All that good music on the jukebox, and tehy're playing 80's 
mainstream. Radio is not a democracy, but to an extent, a well stocked 
jukebox is. The people of Cosmo's spoke. I went to Expo.