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Re: Mail connectivity in Ottawa

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From: Dave Martindale
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1992 19:24
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In article <1992Feb05.164740.10640@revcan.RCT.CA> dave@revcan.RCT.CA (David Blackwood) writes:
>If uunet(.ca) receives mail via uucp for an internet site that is not a
>uunet(.ca) customer, then that mail will be forwarded to another
>uucp site that claims the internet site as a uucp neighbour.  Uunet(.ca)
>rightly or wrongly will not deliver uucp mail to a non-uunet(.ca)-customer
>internet site.

This is not true in my experience.  uunet.ca will deliver uucp mail
to any Internet site it is asked to.  I use this frequently.  And as
far as I know, it doesn't make any difference whether the mail came
from my site directly, or from some other machine through us.
It sounds like there is something unusual about your situation.

>However, I still have a problem with the two solutions - don't publish
>the connection or mark it as terminal.  If we all do that then either
>uunet becomes useful only for sending mail to other uunet customers, or
>everyone is forced to become a uunet customer and the entire uucpnet
>collapses.  In fact, it will break down into two networks - one for
>those with the volume or the bucks to justify uunet connectivity, and
>one for those without, with no one willing to foot the bill for the two
>networks to talk to each other.

It's not that bad.  I have about 10 uucp connections, only one of which
is marked "terminal".  You can still route stuff through "imax" using
any of the links that were in place before uunet.ca existed.  No
connectivity has been lost, at least at this site, when the uunet.ca
connection was established.

Basically, when our uunet.ca connection was established, it improved
connectivity for people at this site.  If the connection is *not* marked
terminal, that also improves connectivity for all of my neighbours,
and their neighbours, and so on - but at my cost.  If I mark the
uunet.ca connection as terminal, then the increased connectivity
benefits this machine only, not my neighbours.  But they still have
access to all the connections they could use before.

So, the uucp net will not collapse, unless people with uunet.ca
connections stop talking to their other neighbours entirely.
The net may have two "classes" of users, with uunet.ca customers
having better or faster connectivity to other sites than the
non-customers, but that *is* what they're paying for.

	Dave
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From: dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale)
Subject: Re: Mail connectivity in Ottawa
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Organization: Imax Corporation, Mississauga Canada
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