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Re: Interesting ticket....

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From: David Friedman
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 23:42
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In article <14204@pogo.wv.tek.com> randyg@pogo.wv.tek.com (Randy Gibbons;6853178;63-356;LP=A;P0fG) writes:
>I sent something to Edward on this but now that I think about it, it seems 
>worth posting to the net.  If Edward feels the ticked was unfair then this
>may be worth pursuing.  If on the other hand he was speeding then why even
>ask?  If the speeding ticket was a consequence of his actions, then accept it.
>Why is there such a strong tendency to avoid the consequences of our actions?
>
To give up even one of legal rights is to give up *all* of our rights.
Respect for the law must be accepted by both parties, if one party, 
in this case the police, sloppily administers the law then the other party,
the speeder, must fight it.  This is perfectly ethical.  If the crime were
more serious, murder, drug importing, revolutionary activity, and the police
didn't follow correct procedures, the accused has every right to question
and challenge the evidence and charges.  Thank God we still have these rights.
These rights are the greatest thing about the United States, IMHO.

On the previous vain, four years ago I lived in Portland and had a girlfriend
in Seattle.  My friend would drive up for reserve duty and I would go to see 
her.  My friend would get very tired and ask me to drive back...well, I was
usually pretty tired too (grin).  One night I was pulling out of a parking
spot on W. Nickerson, where the road comes down Queen Anne Hill pretty fast, 
and everyone always speeds down it.  I saw a car in the far lane, it wasn't
signalling, and pulled out.  The car rammed us in the drivers door and instantly
two police cars arrive.  I'm in shock.  She obviously changed lanes without 
looking or signalling.  The police charged me with something about illegal
exiting from a parking space.  It was because of our Oregon plates and that
I wouldn't admit *I* was at fault.  I was in shock, I wasn't going to answer
anything.  Anyway, I moved up to Seattle a month later and appearred in court,
ready to challenge the ticket.  The hearing officer dismissed the charges
against me because the file wasn't there, and I was!  None of this, "well, we
don't have the file here, come back next week."  I was free.  Best five minutes
I ever spent in a courtroom.

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From: iota@agora.rain.com (David Friedman)
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Subject: Re: Interesting ticket....
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Date: 9 Jan 93 23:42:34 GMT
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