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"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
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> Curt wrote:
> > "Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
> > news:qPGdnVZxMs5DJ37ZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> Curt wrote:
> >>> "Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:_NGdnb1a3didEEvZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >>>> Curt wrote:
> >>>>> "Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:B_ydnWZ-msrFkkvZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >>>>>> ~^*^~ wrote:
> >>>>>>> It is not necessary to deport any of them if you prevent them from
> >>>>> working
> >>>>>>> in our country.  Do that and they'll go home.
> >>>>>> No they won't social services will be overloaded which will make
> > social
> >>>>>> services happy because they can ask for a bigger budget next time
> >>> around
> >>>>>> hiring even more people who want to do as little as they can
(Because
> >>> of
> >>>>>> being a govt employee) to get a check. Vicious circle. Do like they
> > are
> >>>>>> suppose to do and no more chain babies dropped her deport them and
> > let
> >>>>>> em cry their eyes out on the way back to Mexico and then the
> > Presidente
> >>>>>> of Mexico and the left can cry how cold callous the Republicans
are.
> >>>>>> Fine the holy piss out of companies that hiring the undocumented.
It
> >>>>>> will take awhile but it will send a strong message that we will not
> >>> over
> >>>>>> load our schools hospitals or public housing with people that do
not
> >>>>>> respect our laws. Worried about over crowding in jails with em?
don't
> >>> be
> >>>>>> give em slop twice a day and they will not want to come back. We
are
> >>>>>> way, way way to generous to those who take jobs from others. If the
> >>>>>> employers can't get cheap labor they will have to pay a better
wage.
> >>>>>> Increasing prices lower the tax burden on the lower wage earners or
> >>>>>> eliminate it all together it will be like a wage increase to them
> > which
> >>>>>> means they will have more spendable income to stimulate the
economy.
> >>>>> I think just the "fine the holy piss" option would do just fine.
> >>>> Disagree curt, they know damn well they are breaking the law. They
are
> >>>> criminals. If you are going to hand out justice and be fair about it
> >>>> (Remember the blindfold on the statue of liberty?) it has got to be
> >>>> across the board. You have to send a signal that this will not be
> >>>> tolerated by any criminal be they a big criminal or a small one. That
> > is
> >>>> being fair.
> >>>
> >>> Well, no, they're not criminals. It's not a crime to be an illegal
> > alien.
> >>> You can't go to jail for it. You can only be deported.
> >> Semantics! You know EXACTLY what I am talking about. Don't dance be
> >> honest. Wrong is wrong. If your going to bust the dealers then bust the
> >> users too.
> >
> > I do know exactly what you're talking about. You called illegal
immigrants
> > criminals. They're not. It's not a crime to be an illegal immigrant.
Thus,
> > you can't arrest and jail them. You can only deport them. Thus, focusing
on
> > employers is not ignoring some criminals while focusing on others. The
only
> > criminals here are the ones who hire illegal workers. Send some to jail.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>>>   These folks
> >>>>> are coming here for work, after all, not for the company. If the
work
> >>> wasn't
> >>>>> here, neither would be the folks. Another option -- just let them be
> >>>>> citizens.
> >>>> Bullcrap! Bullcrap! Bullcrap! If you did this, what kind of signal do
> >>>> you think this will send to those NOT breaking the law and jumping
the
> >>>> line? Man think this through.
> >>> I have, believe it or not. My deal is, I don't care if they're not
> > white. I
> >>> just want them to stop depressing wages. If they were legal workers,
> > they
> >>> wouldn't be depressing wages. They could unionize, refuse to work
unpaid
> >>> overtime, file OSHA complaints, etc etc. That's my only issue with
> > illegal
> >>> immigration.
> >>>
> >>> Curt
> >>>
> >>>
> >> So really, the Union is your priority not what is the right thing for
> >> this nation.
> >
> > What's the "right thing for this nation" that's separate from the right
to
> > refuse to work unpaid OT, the right to unionize, the right of legal
workers
> > not to have their wages depressed by illegal low paid labor, the right
to
> > file OSHA complaints, etc?
> >
> > Curt
> >
> >
>
>
> Hey curt, this week end I have 3 guys coming over to cut 3 big branches
> off of a tree that is over my house in Tigard. They normally get paid
> during the week $13hr I plan to pay them $20hr yet I am a republican
> that does not hire union people. What do you call that? Just curious.
> Like I say for you it has to do with the Union NOT what is right.

Well, you just took a hard right turn. I have no idea why you'd think I'd
disapprove of you hiring a guy, union or not, to limb a tree. I don't have a
dog in that fight. I don't even think it's a fight.

Curt